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I had to check back at past posts after reading this, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/72039-Bachmann-stanier-mogul/?p=2512633 I clearly forgot to look at my own photograph ! .. aint no rivets on the tender sides in that picture ! No problem to remember a days events 30 years ago, but can't remember 3 months ago ! Ive updated my own post after reading that.., doh !

The original Bachmann crabs didn't have DCC or plugged tenders, I suspect if this tender is being reused, that it comes from the more recent Patriot/Jubilee/4p 4-4-0 line. However it may share the early Crab tender for ancestry, but it too may have history, from the Mainline fowler tender used on Mainline Jubilees 45700 Amethyst, 45698 Mars etc.. When I put 45700 Amethyst's tender next to a Bachmann DCC ready 4p's tender to me there's no difference in it apart from mounting positions for DCC, screws & drawbar hooks & buffers (tooling enhancements over the years ?) , I recently put a DCC fowler tender ex-4P behind an old nonDCC crab with no mods at all needed, and apart from a draw bar hook, I could put Ameythsts too and it'd look near identical...dimensions, shape even aspects like the brake handle on the footplate. There are two different toolings of fowler tender... riveted and smooth (flush rivet or welded), both have been produced on Jubilees, Patriots, Crabs and the 4-4-0 by Bachmann and Mainline over the years. Hornby has at least 3 fowler toolings, the ex-Airfix/Dapol tender used on the 2p / 4f (smooth) and its own railroad tender from the Patriot / 4p (riveted and smooth). They may have the Lima tooling too, but doubt we'd ever see it. [Edit]: Two of All Bachmanns Stanier crabs are with rivet tenders that I saw at Warley, did the real thing only ever run with rivet tenders ? {Addendum]: I seem to have forgotten to look at my own pictures... post-20773-0-54007900-1480157800.jpg it clearly is a smooth tender doh !

Many countries in the world trade in dollars, as their own currency is unstable. Maybe it's time to recognise the £ is in that same basket. Why not set the selling price in the same currency as that of the manufacturer,(one of RMB\HKD/USD I assume) I'm not too proud to pay in €$¥ or peanuts if it gets what I want. The risk is my own that way.. pay now or pay later, but take a deposit that covers development up front. Put it another way, if you were buying a foreign outline model, from an overseas retailer your doing the same thing already.

It's a bit difficult to get underneath, the museum is the old station, rail connected but no where close to a pit. I dont think much moves around within the platforms, the lighting isnt the best either. (I recently acquired an NBL 0-4-0 kit, painted and finished from your range too). Looks vacuum braked to me, with no signs of air brakes... kind of limited it's usefulness i'd have thought ?

I think part of the problem with the LBSC, was that unlike the 'C' it wasnt preserved. The collectors club edition of Birch Grove in it's rendition of LBSC sold out quite quick and commands a premium, and it is both preserved yet in an inaccurate "official" livery, but it did run on BR in that livery in preservation. In my mind part of the popularity of a pre-grouping livery is peoples familiarity with that livery.., that said black swans command a premium and I reckon LBSC 4-4-2 will go nicely, if it's carrying the right number.

Just got an email that BR 4-6-2 '603 Squadron' '34077' Battle of Britain Class - Rebuilt is due for delivery to me today, so I guess this set can't be far away.

Agreed, however if the lining were removed, and letters MSC painted above the works plate, and a cab rainsheet put over the cab sides, together with a bit of coal on the footplate and a 6"-12" (2-4mm) horizontal line gash placed under/alongside the footplate, you'd have a highly accurate rendition for less than a days work. Don't forget in "as modelled" approximate guise 11 also was sold by the MSC and worked for Esso. There's also a nice picture of it, without the MSC letters with a rake of esso tanks, post sale from MSC to Esso still with gash out there. Whilst not with B tanks, it would be close enough to the truth if one were to place it with Heljan B tanks.

May be, but the engine leaving the factory, had a different dome /chimney arrangement then that as modelled. It was overhauled during its life (c1920's) to the form as now modelled, but the various images don't show it lined, post overhaul.

http://donthorpe.org.uk/aboutauthor.htm I guess 20 years working on the locomotive fleet at the MSC, starting as a fitter at MSC"s Mode Wheel work shops, and ending his career in the drawing office, in between serving in the R.E.M.E (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers regiment) and finally as an aeronautics engineer is "Just adding what little he knew for completeness" about the MSC, its engineering and it's locomotives ? For example, On page 66 of his book, he indicates being responsible for the inspection and condemnation of Peckett 11. All of this however is little to do with the livery of the fleet, of which this publication has a fantastic selection from beginning thru 1984, none of which I can see show 32 or any other locomotive with single yellow lining. In looking through the book I really dont see a "corporate" scheme until the Grey scheme post war, which doesnt look widely adopted across the fleet, but certainly went beyond the J94's, the closest to corporate image seems to have started with the Diesel fleet.. even then some were Blue, some were Green. The pre-war images show a lot of pride in the fleet's multi-coloured appearance, many of those older pictures were stage managed, but it's hard to argue that the various accident pictures, including locomotives with wagons on top of the loco are "stage managed" or that the loco was cleaned up / lined out just for the post accident photographic opportunity the incident created. https://www.flickr.com/photos/35604059@N03/4929151536/in/photolist-8vzc2j I haven't, as yet, seen a single yellow lined green example of an MSC Steam locomotive outside of 32 Gothenburg in preservation, if anyone has any it would be good to see & confirm, it may have been a very early 1890/1900s livery or Hudswell Clarke's delivery livery (There is a pre-delivery picture of 70 in Black with single yellow lining out there [so probably 1920/1], last time I saw that picture was at Bury at the time they painted 32 in the late 1980s), however if this was a pre-1920 livery (both 11 and 32 were pre-1921) it is possible, however it's fairly confident at this time 11 was in the style of Dodo with the dome / chimney arrangement, especially as Page 30 has an MSC corporate staged picture taken between 1902 & 1914 of several spotless MSC locomotives, including 12 in it's original form, all with double / triple linings and page 36 of 11 in the same form as 12.

Using this book "Railways of the Manchester Ship Canal", Don Thorpe, OPC, 1984, ISBN 0-086093-2888-5 as a source, I cannot corroborate Gothenburg's livery as being accurate for any member of the MSC Fleet. Amongst the over 200 pictures of MSC locomotives within this book, the MSC steam fleet seems to fall into 1 of 3 styles (not colour/shade*) of livery ... 1. double/triple lined https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6127/6014199098_d59416b09d_b.jpg 2. no lining https://www.flickr.com/photos/31514768@N05/4907188890 3. appearing in the really smart looking Grey colour scheme with white/black letters & edge lining. https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/56435801556309027/ (Preservation picture) *It is clear, although in Black and White, that not all locomotives were Green or Black, or even single shades of those livery.. it looks as if there was some colourful variations within the fleet, but where the lining was present.. it was double lined, or triple lined within a central line in a different colour. There are at least 3 pictures of 32 Gothenburg in this book, all unlined, even the pictures of 11 appear unlined, or the "domed" pictures which show it's triple lined as like Dodo. here's both 32 and 70 in 1967, in Colour, in unlined Black. 5686655318_36210ec463_b.jpg Obviously an ex-works overhaul may be different, and lining can wear off etc, it's not been captured in this publication, which is seen as a definitive works of the MSC. Certainly the pre-war pictures show a clean, colourful fleet, lots of shiny brass maintained with pride, post war pictures show a run-down, monotone shabby-chic image. I have elsewhere seen a works pre-delivery picture of MSC 70 in Black with single yellow lining, so single lining may have been Hudswell Clarkes "as delivered" look. 32 was lined in 1986/7 for the ELR reopening and looked great for many years, and think that livery has been at least partially replicated in the above picture (the wheel lining have been missed in it's 2009 appearance compared to it's 1987 look). even Hornby's image of 11 is unlined.. Peckett-654-1897-Alexandria-No-11-MSC-web.jpg

Further to my previous post... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103556-Hornby-announce-peckett-w4-0-4-0st/?p=2566199 I have found more pictures of MSC Number 12 Jaffa and of 11 Alexandria. Same book, page 30, their is a picture of the locomotive pretty much ex-works as new condition. The picture was overlooked as the subject is "the early years railway swing bridge number 1". The picture shows No 14 St John, 15 New York, 17 New Orleans, 39 Sydney... and a peckett. The peckett is said to be 12 Jaffa (and it's it's bearing a short nameplate) stands up. There is a further picture of Alexandria (11) on page 36 listed as an anglo american oil train. Both pictures are Brass domed examples, unlined, with name plate and no numbers. 11 & 12 both appear as the Dodo tooling, not the MSC 11 tooling. It is apparent that 11 at least was rebuilt during it's life, to the form as Hornby modelled, but the later pictures are unlined.

If you watch the Facebook page for Hornby, at Warley in November, there was a ppt slide in the presentation, saying the arrangement between Hornby magazine and Hornby was being continued (I think it said for another 5 years).

Steam locomotive rub down transfers are also desperately needing. Replica used to do them, but were hard to get even when available. In recent years hmrs sheet 14 (steam numbers) has been the stuff of legend to find. The few alternatives out there are for want of a better word, just rubbish.

Replica made 45128 in BR Blue, then a run of Blue unnumbered class 45s. Class 45's at the time generally weren't that popular as a class with enthusiasts (and my opinion the Replica class 45106/28 or unnumbered equally reflected that), priced I think £27, compared to class 40/7 & 50s, especially class 50s' which BR were withdrawing and attracted cult status at the time, and which Lima were being sold off at £19.95 and had dozens of variations to pick from. BR tried to raise the class celebrity profile painting 45106 green, unfortunately it caught fire after only a few weeks and was withdrawn. 46035 and 45112 in preservation went mainline, but neither of which have had considerable mainline running in preservation and none in the last 10 years adds to my opinion that the Peaks just aren't as popular as some others. Heljan did several unnumbered class 47s in Blue and Green, including repeat runs... (Catalog 4741 -9 ) http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/21553/Heljan_4741_Class_47_diesel_in_BR_blue_with_full_yellow_panels_headcode_unnumbered_/StockDetail.aspx Blue http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/21554/Heljan_4742_Class_47_diesel_in_BR_blue_with_large_logo_unnumbered_/StockDetail.aspx Large Logo Blue http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/21555/Heljan_4743_Class_47_diesel_in_triple_grey_Railfreight_sector_unnumbered_/StockDetail.aspx Railfreight Sub Sector http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/26345/Heljan_4746_Class_47_un_numbered_BR_green_with_small_yellow_panels/StockDetail.aspx Green SYE http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/26346/Heljan_4747_Class_47_un_numbered_in_BR_blue_with_full_yellow_ends/StockDetail.aspx Blue http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/32655/Heljan_4748_Class_47_Un_numbered_BR_green_with_full_yellow_ends/StockDetail.aspx Green FYE http://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklistdatabase/32656/Heljan_4749_Class_47_Un_numbered_in_BR_Large_Logo_Livery/StockDetail.aspx Large Logo Blue Currently Dapol's Western is unnumbered save for a select few limited editions, most of theirs come with an etched number to self apply, and I'm sure I am not the only one to have a fleet of Dapol westerns, bearing names made by fox, extreme etc that dont match the Dapol box, I've just cleared out my Dapol supplied plates and I am seeking a Western Sultan by Dapol (MFYE) so I can represent D1058 Western Nobleman, as I saw D1015 masquerading as such last year, made easily possible as the model supplied is unnumbered. And so back to the Peckett... unnumbered models can work if the mix is right, but personally I think the Peckett will hit the same sweet spot the Terrier did, but with more options on colourful liveries. From what Ive learned so far Pecketts weren't really supplied in volume to industry, nor do I see much evidence of companies owning fleets of them...more like 1s and 2s mixed with others from other manufacturers, personally i'm going to blend my Black 2017 Peckett with this vaguely similar, larger rtr model.. https://az95169.vo.msecnd.net/images/electrotren/large/LE0039.jpg I hope DJ hurries up with the hudswell clarke.

Came home tonight, my credit card was crying, so mine are on the way.

It was many months (6?) before release that Hornby published a picture of the peckett cab being spray painted in the engine shed blog. Being small doesn't equal easy and quick to make. It could take several months across several factories to source all the bits needed and bring them together at the same place and time. If that is indeed the case, then any repeat of the former would make sense to assemble with the latter, is that then sensible ? Hornby announced the rerun of Exeter, but it took several months and appeared pretty much same time as 34070/34051 & 34006. 34001 was also subject to hysteria, demand and high prices at the time, admittedly none of the Bulleids "swamped" the market, the market soaked them up at fair price, even if Exeter picked up an aws box between releases, fair to say Hornby made a good call there, especially as they were all reasonably uniform-in a Bulleid kind of way.

Opportunity for a 3D printed one with professional respray ?

All this talk about Taurus, made me dig out a box I've had for a few years. This little bull needs a paint job that I probably cannot do to give it justice, so I've been in dilemma about keeping it or selling it. (Don't know of anyone who does paint jobs). So it's been sitting on the shelf, but it's nice indeed I got to see the real thing in Madrid last year. Solid little thing, buffer beam is 1.5mm thick brass.

Just noticed this too, sold out to pre-orders. http://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/locomotives/locomotives-by-class/peckett-w4-0-4-0st/peckett-0-4-0st-883-lilleshall-co.html Peckettmania has set in. I think the black one has just as much if not more appeal than the other three.. industrials were always black :-) Play their cards right 2018's Pecketts could be just as desirable, the secret here is dont swamp the market, once it's soaked it takes a long time to dry out, they could be set for oodles of variants of Pecketts for a few years yet. now anyone makes Peckett builders plates ?

I like the pigeon sound effects 14mins in.