frobisher Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 This is purely speculation and is not based on any evidence but I do wonder if the long delay in bringing forward new liveries might be due to Oxford Rail retooling the underframe. This is the most easily noticable error to fix and, being a single part, would probably only require one mould to be altered. I am aware of the bogie issue but that would probably be more awkward to fix. Both fixes should be as easy as they would probably require new tooling to be produced in any case - of course the size of the cost depends on which components share the same tool/sprue - if the bogies and underframe are on the same one, there's an obvious win there. But I don't think these batches are going to have any changes other than the silvered window frames they have already promised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Bearing in mind the viewing angle, I would say the shallow roof ribbing is the most noticeable error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Edited October 3, 2018 by MGR Hooper! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Blue & Grey looks good - but what happened to the classification band? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40855-loco-hauled-mk3s/page-2&do=findComment&comment=441587 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Blue & Grey looks good - but what happened to the classification band? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40855-loco-hauled-mk3s/page-2&do=findComment&comment=441587 Oh dear - it's a wee bit on the heavy side ! some Hornby B/G FO MK3's had exactly the same issue..............so much for OR's "In Pursuit of Excellence" Edited October 3, 2018 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 The red band on the RUB appears to be the right thickness. Due for release this week, I believe. Last page of this new edition of "The Globe":- https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1017/3257/files/Globe_225_low_res.pdf?1046878443220940126 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 The red band on the RUB appears to be the right thickness. Due for release this week, I believe. Last page of this new edition of "The Globe":- https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1017/3257/files/Globe_225_low_res.pdf?1046878443220940126 Is it the right length though? I thought it should extend along the entire catering section, not 4/5 of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 3, 2018 Looks okay according to this http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2011/post-7610-0-21329800-1310633175.jpg Shouldn't there be a hyphen between the words though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Is it the right length though? I thought it should extend along the entire catering section, not 4/5 of it? It's the correct length - see RUB 10026 in the link provided above (which does not cover all of the catering section) - though the models interpretation still looks a bit on the thick side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 It's the correct length - see RUB 10026 in the link provided above (which does not cover all of the catering section) - though the models interpretation still looks a bit on the thick side. Pedant mode- It does cover the whole food prep area, the small square window is the crew rest area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Pedant mode- Not really. I asked a question, you provided an explanation to answer it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2018 Blue & Grey looks good - but what happened to the classification band? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40855-loco-hauled-mk3s/page-2&do=findComment&comment=441587 Interesting that the link you provide shows two different terminating points for the yellow stripe in the examples M11045 the yellow line ends with the curve of the Grey /white line M11028 the yellow line ends on the door before the curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) Pedant mode- It does cover the whole food prep area, the small square window is the crew rest area. Extreme pedantry that - the whole of the food prep area + the vestibule end, but not the staff compartment Either way, credit where credits due, they've got it correctly applied. Edited October 4, 2018 by Bob Reid 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Interesting that the link you provide shows two different terminating points for the yellow stripe in the examples M11045 the yellow line ends with the curve of the Grey /white line M11028 the yellow line ends on the door before the curve. And that still happens with the FGW blue livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Blue/grey buffets now in stock at Hatton's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_10_2018/post-20663-0-72598300-1538803213.jpg Does this photo help the Scotrail grey debate? Edited October 7, 2018 by mikeharvey22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_10_2018/post-20663-0-72598300-1538803213.jpg Does this photo help the Scotrail grey debate? That version does not seem to have silver window frames, might it be an earlier version? Roddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 I took a bravery pill yesterday and dismantled one of my Oxford Rail MK3’s yesterday to fit a few people and improve the livery. I agree with a comment made before that those couplings and small springs are a pain, good idea about gluing each end of them to secure. I’ve used a small blob of PVA and seems to have done the trick. I’ve masked and lightly brush painted the lower body side with Railmatch Executive Light Grey (200), also given the window surrounds one coat using a very small brush. I’ve used Darkstar’s Tarnished Steel (recently mentioned on George Dent’s blog - hence the idea to give upgrading a carriage a go). A pic of the coach next to a Bachmann Class 47 before being sent to the workbench ... A pic after, showing the difference the repaint make, especially the window surronds (still requires transfers). This pic shows the difference the tweaks make when compared to the First Class carriage on the right, still in as-bought condition. The paints used ... I may give the window surrounds a second coat (the pics show some blemishes that are not as noticeable when on the layout) and send the first class carriage to the workbench. The upgrade has increased my confidence in these coaches and I’m tempted to buy a few more to complete a typical WCML rake. 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 That definitely looks better! I was struck by how many of the Oxford mk3s seemed to be for sale at Wigan exhibition. Perhaps they're not shifting well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I took a bravery pill yesterday and dismantled one of my Oxford Rail MK3’s yesterday to fit a few people and improve the livery. I agree with a comment made before that those couplings and small springs are a pain, good idea about gluing each end of them to secure. I’ve used a small blob of PVA and seems to have done the trick. I’ve masked and lightly brush painted the lower body side with Railmatch Executive Light Grey (200), also given the window surrounds one coat using a very small brush. I’ve used Darkstar’s Tarnished Steel (recently mentioned on George Dent’s blog - hence the idea to give upgrading a carriage a go). A pic of the coach next to a Bachmann Class 47 before being sent to the workbench ... 024E4F6A-2CC5-41D3-9960-EA61463AE513.jpeg A pic after, showing the difference the repaint make, especially the window surronds (still requires transfers). 813C5DC7-4E05-4C0B-9790-01946C66A7A7.jpeg This pic shows the difference the tweaks make when compared to the First Class carriage on the right, still in as-bought condition. 04CEB02C-0D23-4755-AB92-D6A1EB32EEC0.jpeg The paints used ... 0C9AA648-65CB-4181-9157-45531DA95D2C.jpeg I may give the window surrounds a second coat (the pics show some blemishes that are not as noticeable when on the layout) and send the first class carriage to the workbench. The upgrade has increased my confidence in these coaches and I’m tempted to buy a few more to complete a typical WCML rake. Definitely looks better now, ideally the upper band of light grey also needs to be changed to Exec Light Grey. A fine silver paint marker used with a ruler, is an another way doing the window frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted October 7, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2018 Definitely looks better now, ideally the upper band of light grey also needs to be changed to Exec Light Grey. A fine silver paint marker used with a ruler, is an another way doing the window frames. Thanks for that tip - I might try using a ruler for the first class coach (Art was my weakest subject at school!). Yes, the 2nd Class classification strip does appear more noticeable on the pictures so I’ll give that a paint as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 My br blue buffet rrived today. First impressions were good until i opened it. The coupling is broke at one end, bits of black plastic fell out of the coupling area and the spring has detached. So thats going back, but the coach itself looks good to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) My br blue buffet rrived today. First impressions were good until i opened it. The coupling is broke at one end, bits of black plastic fell out of the coupling area and the spring has detached. So thats going back, but the coach itself looks good to me. Are you sure its broken, the coupling bar is barely 1mm to support it and easily detaches.I cut off the vestibule end floors (which hold it in place) from the interior and glued it down, as the screws holding the overall interior are quite inferior for the job of holding, which is what allows the coupling to pop out. That said your image is missing the door footboards, another feature of the model. Edited October 8, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 Are you sure its broken, the coupling bar is barely 1mm to support it and easily detaches. I cut off the vestibule end floors (which hold it in place) from the interior and glued it down, as the screws holding the overall interior are quite inferior for the job of holding, which is what allows the coupling to pop out. That said your image is missing the door footboards, another feature of the model. I was assuming it was damaged, a couple of bits of black plastic fell out, one might be the door footboard now your mentioned it, but another looked damaged. The spring was detached from the coach body and looking at the other end seems to hook onto something inside. Not to worry, return already organised. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 The gap will depend on which Kadee's you fit - 17/18/19/20's and also the min radius of curves used. A better plan is to perhaps use a fixed bar coupling like the Hornby 40270 coupling or the slightly shorter Roco 40271 version especially if your planning to push the coaches. Just to clarify: There is no physical difference between the Roco 40270 and 40271 couplers, 40270 is just a packet of two pairs, whereas 40271 is a bulk pack of 50 couplers. The longer Hornby ones come with most of their coaches and can be bought separately under catalogue number R.8220 (packet of 10). If using Kadees, Roco heads within the set and Kadees at the outer ends works best unless you also fit Roco or Hornby heads to the loco/power cars. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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