RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Graham_Muz said: Some shows such as the bike show pay to subsidise the parking fee for their visitors (which may or may or be reflected in the ticket price for that particular show) it’s not that the NEC is charging more for the other shows as they get the same overall fee regardless. Some shows offer free parking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, jamespetts said: Some pictures from to-day (focussing on layouts, as I have posted things from trade stands in their appropriate topics, and using a smartphone camera as I did not want to carry a full sized camera with me): Model railway by James Petts, on Flickr Model railway by James Petts, on Flickr Model railway by James Petts, on Flickr 2019-11-23_09-47-22 by James Petts, on Flickr Tan-y-Bwlch in model form by James Petts, on Flickr Model of the S&D by James Petts, on Flickr Slate incline by James Petts, on Flickr Narrow gauge by James Petts, on Flickr Slate wagon by James Petts, on Flickr Narrow gauge by James Petts, on Flickr Slate wagon by James Petts, on Flickr 1830 by James Petts, on Flickr MERG CAB2 by James Petts, on Flickr Spetisbury by James Petts, on Flickr 009 layout by James Petts, on Flickr Spetisbury by James Petts, on Flickr 009 sheep by James Petts, on Flickr 009 layout by James Petts, on Flickr 009 freight by James Petts, on Flickr 009 layout by James Petts, on Flickr 009 layout by James Petts, on Flickr Tarrant Crawford by James Petts, on Flickr Tarrant Crawford by James Petts, on Flickr 009 boat by James Petts, on Flickr Crocheted trees by James Petts, on Flickr 0 gauge cows by James Petts, on Flickr SHLR engine by James Petts, on Flickr SHLR carriages by James Petts, on Flickr 0 gauge light railway by James Petts, on Flickr Tarrant Gunville by James Petts, on Flickr Horse on bridge by James Petts, on Flickr Tarrant Gunville by James Petts, on Flickr Bridge by James Petts, on Flickr Signal box by James Petts, on Flickr Blackfriars Bridge by James Petts, on Flickr Posters by James Petts, on Flickr Blackfriars Bridge by James Petts, on Flickr Blackfriars Bridge by James Petts, on Flickr SHLR terrier by James Petts, on Flickr Ampney by James Petts, on Flickr Bridge by James Petts, on Flickr South Town by James Petts, on Flickr South Town by James Petts, on Flickr Llangennedd by James Petts, on Flickr Goods crane by James Petts, on Flickr 1825 by James Petts, on Flickr Thanks for the pics. But by far they majority seem to be narrow gauge. Was that a reflection of the overall layout content at the show as someone else (elsewhere) remarked about the increased quantity of narrow gauge layouts this year? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, grahame said: Thanks for the pics. But by far they majority seem to be narrow gauge. Was that a reflection of the overall layout content at the show as someone else (elsewhere) remarked about the increased quantity of narrow gauge layouts this year? The photographs are a reflection of what I spent the most time looking at: there were a lot of good narrow gauge layouts at the show this year (to the extent that I specifically noticed this), and so I spent some time looking at them. There was both a high quantity and high quality. It is not correct that a majority of the layouts or even the pictures are of narrow gauge subjects, however. 24 minutes ago, Andymsa said: Dont wish to put a downer on your photos but in one of them you managed to get a woman who's breast feeding her baby at the bottom of the photo Where...? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, jamespetts said: Where...? The normal place I presume.... Not your photos, one of ADBs. Surely no problem as if you are breastfeeding in a place people are taking photos then obviously you're not going to be offended by an accidental snap which isn't noticeable unless you carefully look. Jason 3 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymsa Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, jamespetts said: The photographs are a reflection of what I spent the most time looking at: there were a lot of good narrow gauge layouts at the show this year (to the extent that I specifically noticed this), and so I spent some time looking at them. There was both a high quantity and high quality. It is not correct that a majority of the layouts or even the pictures are of narrow gauge subjects, however. Where...? Sorry james my apologies got the wrong post, been a long day Edited November 24, 2019 by Andymsa 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymsa Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, adb968008 said: A few pictures from within the Halls... packed as usual.. There seems to be a lot of restrained excitement about this MGR wagon, maybe a surprise or 3 is coming last st time I saw this tender... it it looked like this... Sorry got the wrong post last time, this one the right post now that shows a lady breast feeding well that's what it looks like to me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymsa Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: The normal place I presume.... Not your photos, one of ADBs. Surely no problem as if you are breastfeeding in a place people are taking photos then obviously you're not going to be offended by an accidental snap which isn't noticeable unless you carefully look. Jason Just really pointing out of respect for the lady. Ps I don't have a view either way on this topic Edited November 24, 2019 by Andymsa 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart2day Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Andymsa said: Just really pointing out of respect for the lady. Ps I don't have a view either way on this topic By pointing it out you just drew everyone’s attention to it. I would never have noticed it. Plus as has has already been said, if you are breastfeeding in a place people are taking photos then obviously you can’t complain if it’s accidentally papped. Anyway, nothing to see here. Next post please. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john new Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Willie Whizz said: Yes, I noticed this over the shoulder of the man using the next machine - unfortunately a few seconds too late to save myself four quid on an expensive (though good) day out. Which raises an an interesting question - are Warley MRC aware of this discrepancy? If they aren’t, it is surely something they should be taking up with the NEC, because there is no obvious reason why different exhibitions should have different car park charges. If they are aware, perhaps the public should have been told. If they are aware and complicit (I.e getting a ‘cut’ of the excess) that would be very poor ... Show organisers subsidising their visitors through sponsorship of part of the parking fees. Has gone on ever since the NEC first opened. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Andymsa said: Dont wish to put a downer on your photos but in one of them you managed to get a woman who's breast feeding her baby at the bottom of the photo Preiser? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 hours ago, john new said: Show organisers subsidising their visitors through sponsorship of part of the parking fees. Has gone on ever since the NEC first opened. The show organisers don’t pay it themselves, they either charge all visitors ( including those who travel by train ) more or they charge trade exhibitors more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis Rail Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Good effort for all who attended. Sounded like a bit of the usual rucksack scrum. I’ll stick to the Kendal MRE in January and the DEMU. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2019 6 hours ago, melmerby said: Some shows offer free parking. That depends on the venue. The best major show for parking must be Peterborough, free and plenty of it. Ally Pally IIRC is also free but some distance from the venue. Doncaster I haven't visited for a long time so I cant comment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2019 The show I've most attended at the NEC is Crufts, which takes 6 halls of the NEC and the arena. (you think you've got problems getting round one hall of the show!!!) This unfortunately has the same parking fees. There is nowhere else outside London ( even more expensive, ) Manchester or Glasgow ( which has its own show) that is capable of taking this show. It's also just a club show, local to Warley MRC. So they need to find a place nearby where all their volunteer members can do the organisation. The NEC no doubt has to pay huge rates to the local council, they have to pay all their staff, which will be many people compared to a smaller place. Could you imagine Warley MRC, rounding up enough members, and members partners to run a big enough T Bar for a show of this size? Sadly I see no way they can reduce their prices. Our hobby doesn't have enough big businesses involved to obtain much sponsorship. This leaves the only way to reduce costs, is to bring your own lunch, and choose cheaper transport. Some sailing clubs, I belonged to, organised buses / mini buses to shows, that surely would be the cheapest way of visiting. Followed by car sharing. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheQ said:by car sharing. Followed by car sharing. That’s how we’re doing it. Myself and three friends driving up this morning from Worthing on the South Coast in one car. Cheers Darius 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: That depends on the venue. The best major show for parking must be Peterborough, free and plenty of it. Ally Pally IIRC is also free but some distance from the venue. Doncaster I haven't visited for a long time so I cant comment. The hill at Ally Pally is getting to be a killer for me, not unfit enough for a disabled pass to park at the top, but now beginning to struggle with the hill especially if it's frosty for the national dinghy exhibition.. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bungus the Fogeyman Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2019 Blimey, someone actually talks about and takes pictures of some of the layouts, rather than banging on about how they got there or where they parked. Good for you James Petts, nice to see something about the layouts in 15 pages of travel froth! Disgusting of Market Harborough 18 5 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Re: parking prices. If you go to the NEC website you can pre-pay for a parking ticket for £12 instead of the usual £16, provided you do it the day before. Either print it at home, or if already on site (no access to printer) save it to your phone. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, TheQ said: The NEC no doubt has to pay huge rates to the local council, they have to pay all their staff, which will be many people compared to a smaller place. Could you imagine Warley MRC, rounding up enough members, and members partners to run a big enough T Bar for a show of this size? Sadly I see no way they can reduce their prices. Our hobby doesn't have enough big businesses involved to obtain much sponsorship. They also provide free buses from the car parks into the centre. Nothing worth anything is going to be free! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Jonboy Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 8 hours ago, melmerby said: Some shows offer free parking. to put the commercial shows into context as a exhibitor on a trade show we used to pay in the region of £8k for a 6*8metre space. That is just for the space, no electrics (£500 for basic lights and a 1kw single socket), and this is just your on-site costs (your actual stand, travel hotel, food, graphic design, staff etc etc are extra). Have a hall full of trade like that, and subsidising the NEC parking is a bit of an easier decision than a show that is at best paying expenses to exhibitors. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 11 hours ago, The White Rabbit said: We'll get the scale right eventually... Hint: Scale is one of the settings on the 3D printer.... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Mike Storey said: Brilliant to see a decorated 2-HAP - did you, by any chance, get an idea of when delivery is expected of the production version? (I cannot find the predictive list on Bachmann's own site, and others are no longer reporting it in their progress charts/info.) Many thanks in advance.... Not before March, next up is more 37’s and the class 24/158’s... 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 11 hours ago, The White Rabbit said: We'll get the scale right eventually... the oo scale version was on the Heljan stand, behind the GWR Railcar.. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: The normal place I presume.... Not your photos, one of ADBs. Surely no problem as if you are breastfeeding in a place people are taking photos then obviously you're not going to be offended by an accidental snap which isn't noticeable unless you carefully look. Jason found it, taken it off. In front of the stall selling models ? Edited November 24, 2019 by adb968008 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 Lots of good videos of the exhibition on You Tube. Search for Warley Model Railway Exhibition 2019. Here's one for starters: 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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