RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2015 The mis-use is not that recent, when I studied joinery too many years ago I was told they're G-clamps but sash-cramps. Sorry chaps I was going by 1964 woodwork lessons.....................I stand corrected. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I've just used a couple of coach bolts and wing nuts on my current layout. I couldn't be bothered with proper baseboard joiners, and it allows for adjustment. But I'd still like to know if this mystery object has potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 As do I - and I assume a few others Sorry chaps I was going by 1964 woodwork lessons.....................I stand corrected. P Just how old do I feel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Roger Sunderland Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 With all the interest shown in this, plus the (potentially) wasted time in reading all this, I'm a little surprised the esteemed member of South Hants MRC, EMGS, the Southern Group etc etc etc, has not come back with some details. It's not April is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Ah but will it be good enough for P4 alignment ? I just do not quite see the point of having a product, demoing it at a show (where folk could just as easily copy the idea) and then not actually showing it on the web or in the MRJ Small Suppliers Forum. Not even details how to order one. This is a G CLAMP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-clamp I cannot show an image of a Cramp as they hurt too much. NB I do understand the ease of keyboard errors Yes, however in the 60s, before you were born, they were often referred to as Cramps. Thanks Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Completely OT but I don't care. I was told recently that Tennis Racket is now accepted as being an OK spelling. I said it was but it was describing some of the players that made stupid screaming noises and that the bat is a Racquet thank you very much. Ar$e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 My trusty Chambers's Dictionary, revised in 1952 has - racket - a bat with roughly elliptical head, usually of strung catgut, for playing tennis, badminton, etc. and - racquet - Same as racket Obviously over sixty years ago qualifies as recent! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 My trusty Chambers's Dictionary, revised in 1952 has - racket - a bat with roughly elliptical head, usually of strung catgut, for playing tennis, badminton, etc. and - racquet - Same as racket Obviously over sixty years ago qualifies as recent! My Johnson's Dictionary of 1827 just has racket as The instrument with which players strike the ball - but also A confused talk, in burlesque language. It doesn't mention racquet. Sounds like it covers this discussion in all ways. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only-Me Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Just wasted two minutes of my life reading this.. Congratulations to the OP ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 The blog says they do away with nuts etc and join boards Is it a hinge with the pin taken out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 The mis-use is not that recent, when I studied joinery too many years ago I was told they're G-clamps but sash-cramps. Seconded - taught by my (and "naturol's") dad, a cabinet maker and joiner - that one was a "G" cLamp and the other was a "sash" cRamp. . To the best of my knowledge, that remains true today. . As for 'racket' and 'racquet' can you buy one and pay by check ? . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Let's just hope spammers never realise how many hits they could get from modellers by sending out emails with suggestive links on about 21st century baseboard joiners. It would be far more effective than the normal "pill" based ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Just wasted two minutes of my life reading this.. Congratulations to the OP ! That's why we're all contributing to the lighthearted banter, even though it makes it a longer read for newcomers. It gives some point to the time spent reading a pointless topic, if it's used as a bit of light relief from an otherwise dull or stressful day! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Apologies to all for my absence - I wasn't aware there'd been so many responses ... for some reason I'm not getting any notifications from RMweb. They do exist and they are good (from the demo I've seen). The blog post was one of three I'd posted about the Fareham show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Another update: I've just spoke to Brian - he doesn't work Mondays and Fridays, so those are the best times to call him. He tells me the design is registered, so no copying allowed! I think I've fixed the notifications problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I've just spoke to Brian - he doesn't work Mondays and Fridays, so those are the best times to call him. He tells me the design is registered, so no copying allowed! We can't copy it if anyway if we can't see it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Seconded - taught by my (and "naturol's") dad, a cabinet maker and joiner - that one was a "G" cLamp and the other was a "sash" cRamp. . To the best of my knowledge, that remains true today. . As for 'racket' and 'racquet' can you buy one and pay by check ? . Brian R I've got a G thingy I bought from Screwfix, and it says G cRamp on the label stuck to it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 A clamp holds potatoes, sort of. Cramp/clamp wrt 'G' is the same thing, a matter of preference, at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 He tells me the design is registered, so no copying allowed! Not wanting to be contentious, but anybody can copy it, it is up to Brian to catch them, not worth his effort, imnsho for individual/club type plagiarists. If a large manufacturer was interested, then it would be easy to dodge around the design registration, and it would be then a case of who had the biggest lawyer.. (from https://www.gov.uk/defend-your-intellectual-property It’s your responsibility to defend your intellectual property (IP) and to take action if someone’s used it without permission (known as ‘infringement’). Unless it is absolutely something wonderful and unique, and at the right price it could take a while to even get the registration fee back. There must be dozens of ways to accurately align and connect things together (in fact yesterday I had a glossy 'trade magazine' sent to me which specifically concerned fastenings, hundreds of manufacturers, just in the UK,) Anyway, best of luck to Brian, but it could be difficult for him to make anything out of it. Best wishes, Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not wanting to be contentious, but anybody can copy it, it is up to Brian to catch them, not worth his effort, imnsho for individual/club type plagiarists. If a large manufacturer was interested, then it would be easy to dodge around the design registration, and it would be then a case of who had the biggest lawyer.. (from https://www.gov.uk/defend-your-intellectual-property Unless it is absolutely something wonderful and unique, and at the right price it could take a while to even get the registration fee back. There must be dozens of ways to accurately align and connect things together (in fact yesterday I had a glossy 'trade magazine' sent to me which specifically concerned fastenings, hundreds of manufacturers, just in the UK,) Anyway, best of luck to Brian, but it could be difficult for him to make anything out of it. Best wishes, Ray True ... there are hordes of inscrutable people on the other side of the world who will copy anything at the drop of a hat (or iPhone). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 We might all be copying it inadvertently if we don't know what it looks like! The point made right at the beginning was that if you have to phone some bloke on a Monday or Friday to find out what this supposedly wonderful new invention is, it's hardly fit for the 21st century, when we could Google "baseboard joiners", place an order online, and they could be here next day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2015 True ... there are hordes of inscrutable people on the other side of the world who will copy anything at the drop of a hat (or iPhone). To sell to the millions of baseboard building modellers in the world..anyway, Can't be a copy if you can't see it. I had an idea years ago for a ladder bracket to go on top of vans and made one up out of stud and bar, months later a similar design appeared in the merchants. Someone else had the same idea but had thought of the marketing. We both made them but he made money from his as people could see and purchase it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2015 Our club has recently adopted nuts and bolts as replacements for the clamps used for 30+ yrs. But our bolts have an unmachined shoulder, effectively a dowel with threaded ends Highly effective and probably cheaper then the method mentioned above All bolts have an unmachined shoulder, properly called a shank, as described. Anything that has a thread all the way to the head is a set-screw not a bolt, http://britishfasteners.com/bolts.html Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Yes, however in the 60s, before you were born, they were often referred to as Cramps. Thanks Phil I was not born in the 1860's but in the first half of the last century (just) - I'm not as young as you might think. But it is good to be thought of as youthful, rather than just an old git, so thanks for that. They have always been clamps (though this might just be a regional thing). Just like the Scots always refer to swede as turnip and vice-versa. But then the Scots don't speak English (except in Inverness) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Just like the Scots always refer to swede as turnip and vice-versa. But then the Scots don't speak English (except in Inverness) Neeps to you pal! I lived with a Scot for years but still can't decipher most of what they're saying. (if ya ken what I mean???). Proud to be a wurzel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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