EHertsGER Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I think it is a pin with a removable hinge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I was not born in the 1860's but in the first half of the last century (just) - I'm not as young as you might think. But it is good to be thought of as youthful, rather than just an old git, so thanks for that. They have always been clamps (though this might just be a regional thing). Just like the Scots always refer to swede as turnip and vice-versa. But then the Scots don't speak English (except in Inverness) Regional? I think my Dad referred to them as cramps. He was born at Chapel Green Farm in Wokingham. Which region of Wokingham are you from Kenton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 No, no, I pray! When "The Wonderful Thing" is finally revealed, it MUST not shatter my dream of amassing a stupendous fortune, becoming a household name overnight, and founding a thousand-year dynasty of DIY-fastener-designers, by devising the ultimate, the perfect, the peerless, Model Railway Baseboard Joiner!! Because, only that dream has kept me alive through forty years, night-after-freezing-night, hunched over my drawing board in my lonely garret, with only a candle for light, and my faithful cockroach, Gloria, for warmth and company. K (wiping dribble from grizzled beard, muttering incoherently, and staring fixidly into the middle-distance) PS: G-cRamps, I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 We might all be copying it inadvertently if we don't know what it looks like! The point made right at the beginning was that if you have to phone some bloke on a Monday or Friday to find out what this supposedly wonderful new invention is, it's hardly fit for the 21st century, when we could Google "baseboard joiners", place an order online, and they could be here next day. This is one of the reasons I've been speaking to Brian ... the other reason is, of course, that I want some of his baseboard joiners for my layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Kenton, I thought it was common knowledge that the Scots know nothing about vegetables... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 I think it is a pin with a removable hinge... I believe most people on here have had their hinge removed some time back..................................(gone already and even before you read this). ar$e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 We might all be copying it inadvertently if we don't know what it looks like! The point made right at the beginning was that if you have to phone some bloke on a Monday or Friday to find out what this supposedly wonderful new invention is, it's hardly fit for the 21st century, when we could Google "baseboard joiners", place an order online, and they could be here next day. Actually, in the model railway world, this is far from unusual - so many specialist traders don't inhabit the online world. My wife (a Scot!) and I are often surprised at how many small (micro) businesses don't have an online presence. We've come to expect to find anything we want on the internet (often with Google's help). However, there are examples of offline successes ... Wild Swan (now Cygnet) are an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 30, 2015 Kenton, I thought it was common knowledge that the Scots know nothing about vegetables... If they did, it would be deep fried, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcm@gwr Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I was told that a Scottish salad was actually left-over cold chips, from the night before! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 61 posts in and we still don't know what the thread is actually about! I like where this is headed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 It'll all end in tears....... Maybe large magnets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
orford Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 These really are the greatest base board joiners ever made. On the same basis, my layout is also the best model railway ever built - but as I'm not posting any photos of it............? ....Exactly what is the point of this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I reckon the joiner hasn't been designed yet and this thread is working on the same principle as monkeys with typewriters. Give us long enough and the ultimate design will just pop into being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 These really are the greatest base board joiners ever made. On the same basis, my layout is also the best model railway ever built - but as I'm not posting any photos of it............? ....Exactly what is the point of this thread? I started it because I wanted to share what I'd seen demonstrated at the Fareham Show. They are not being actively marketed as many have found/pointed out, and I'm hoping that will be changing soon. The leaflet I picked up doesn't have a photo or drawing ... otherwise I'd have shared it. I apologise to anyone who's been annoyed by this thread - I'll be more careful about what I post in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmcc3 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 I reckon the joiner hasn't been designed yet and this thread is working on the same principle as monkeys with typewriters. Give us long enough and the ultimate design will just pop into being. It has been designed and manufactured as I saw them at the Fareham show, and my posting the information was not done with any prior knowledge of the person who created them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 It has been designed and manufactured as I saw them at the Fareham show, and my posting the information was not done with any prior knowledge of the person who created them.That was (an attempt at) a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 These really are the greatest base board joiners ever made.They are not, there are better ones available if you know where to look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted October 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2015 It'll all end in tears....... Maybe large magnets Electro magnets and the boards sit on self levelling hover trestles, all powered by a Mr Fusion reactor! Now that's proper 21st century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTrice Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Cramps? Clamps? Oh dear, what have I started. Apologies for causing the digression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, however in the 60s, before you were born, they were often referred to as Cramps. Thanks Phil Now my dad - who did his apprenticeship in the 1930s - always called them cramps however there are two different things involved here. The purpose of a cramp, particularly so with a sash cramp, is that it is used to cramp things up, i.e. to pull them together or tighten them, while a clamp is used to hold things together for the sake of convenience instead of having to find a third hand from somewhere. In some sorts of woodworking there are times when things have to be cramped up to make a joint complete or tight or to assist in pulling the joints together (as with parts of a sash window - hence a sash cramp). Now if you want to join sections of a layout together and maintain vertical alignment with some degree of reliability here is an already on the market 'baseboard joiner'. Most folk will immediately recognise that it is a hinge but it is rather different in that it has a removable pin which is matched to the two halves of the hinge as a sliding fit and thus keeps them in perfect alighnment. Bit more expensive than an ordinary pair of hinges but a bit more precise than the old dodge of using ordinary hinges with the original pin removed and something else slid in to keep them together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Electro magnets and the boards sit on self levelling hover trestles, all powered by a Mr Fusion reactor! Now that's proper 21st century. I to have thought this would be the way forward it also explains why there are no photos of this new method but have to say the advertising campaign seems to be working as it has attracted a good following Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Now if you want to join sections of a layout together and maintain vertical alignment with some degree of reliability here is an already on the market 'baseboard joiner'. Most folk will immediately recognise that it is a hinge but it is rather different in that it has a removable pin which is matched to the two halves of the hinge as a sliding fit and thus keeps them in perfect alighnment. Bit more expensive than an ordinary pair of hinges but a bit more precise than the old dodge of using ordinary hinges with the original pin removed and something else slid in to keep them together. DSCF0150.jpg The hinge and pin part is very clear and straightforward, but I'm struggling to understand the purpose of the two types of screw, and the unused screw hole. Is this something you've found to work better than using six identical screws, and is it registered/patented or whatever, or can we freely copy it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I bet those screws were all those that fitted which were in THAT jam jar with the screws collected over many years. I confess I now have several jars full of screws, sundry bolts, washers, nuts, plasplugs and nails, none of which seem to be any use when I tip the lot onto a sheet of newspaper during a job so off I go to Screwfix or B&Q and buy some more. There are always too many so the remainder go in another jar . . . . Stan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Well spotted John, I reckon the the stationmaster's hinge is a Chinese rip off, originally the screws would have been matched up, the slotted pair in the centre holes. You can see they missed one of the bottom holes completely, the screw is about two inches below. I also think the panel pins are wrong, unless its a fine scale layout being built. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted October 31, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 31, 2015 Rather ironic that to go with DCC and all the up to their minute gismos, the American modular modellers manage with nothing more high tech than G cramps/clamps and a spirit level, while we all want the perfect joiner. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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