RMweb Gold ikks Posted October 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2017 There was a short article in Steam Railway magazine a while ago on the scrapping of 46256. It may be apocryphal but it was suggested that the staff at the scrapyard (Cashmores at Tipton?) asked whether 46256 had been dispatched to them by mistake such was its sparkling condition. So bloody sad !! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 What is sad was City Of Lancaster was in a scrapyard in Wigan well into 1965. When someone turned up to buy it (Peter Beet I think) they had just scrapped the tender and had starting cutting the rest of the locomotive. He had been after it for a while, but was hampered by BRs reluctance to allow locomotives sold for scrap to be resold. By the time he got permission it was too late. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2017 It's me again! At the end of October 1954,a storm blew in which flooded Carlisle.It was a Saturday and my mother was visiting my Grandad but decided to come into Longniddry to pay our newspaper bill before getting the bus onwards.While we were waiting for the bus a southbound express came through rolling very slowly under caution signals.The locomotive was an unidentified Duchess!. Many years later I got hold of Trains Illustrated for December 1954.In it was a photograph of 46221 at Polmont on the diverted up Royal Scot taken by WJV Anderson.Ive never seen that photograph again but he photographed the up Queen of Scots there that same day.All Carlisle traffic was sent south to Newcastle behind Duchesses and a Royal Scot so you can have a Duchess alongside a Queen of Scots! There's an article on "The "Royal Scot" at Newcastle" http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/trains-illustrated-magazine-december-1954-issue.html?&cat=3777. I for one would be interested to know more - does anyone have a copy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) The last two LMS Ivatt Pacifics, Thompson's Class A2's and Peppercorn's A1 were favorites with publishers for illustrating book covers around 1950 when publishing was taking off once again. We young boys soaked them up of course. It is probably hard to imagine today what it was like then when Britain's railways were still in the public eye and new motive power made for eye-catching images. Works grey worked particularly well at that period because of the poor paper. Within a couple of years, the all conquering BR Britannia was the new image of BR. Edited October 23, 2017 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) So bloody sad !! Mike O/T Of all the arguments for a new build of extant classes (i.e. occasional calls for another V2, Grelsey A1, Star etc), I would say there is a strong case for an Ivatt Duchess. OK the Coronation class is reasonably well represented in preservation, but to what extent are the Ivatt locos the same class? Are they not considered distinct by some? To build a new Ivatt Duchess would be a further 'missing link' in steam development, and possibly for the LMS, or Tornado proportions as the ultimate development of a long line, albeit a numerically small development. In terms of steam as a whole, they represent the ultimate development of a line that is traced back, the GWR King (and by extension the Star), if we consider the Princess class to be Stanier’s development of the King. It would also complete the set of Duchesses from Streamlined (Hamilton), 'Proper' (Sutherland), Destreamlined (Birmingham, and protoype Double Chimney), to Ivatt, and be possibly the only class where every varient is preserved (Aside from BR 5MT(?) and BR8P obviously, A4, King), although we'd still lack a single Chimney loco in that form, although the historical potential is there...! Plus it would then be possible to have a BR Maroon Duchess again, an opportunity lost when 6229 was reclad. BoT The Hornby Ivatt Duchess really looks lovely Edited October 23, 2017 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2017 O/T Of all the arguments for a new build of extant classes (i.e. occasional calls for another V2, Grelsey A1, Star etc), I would say there is a strong case for an Ivatt Duchess. OK the Coronation class is reasonably well represented in preservation, but to what extent are the Ivatt locos the same class? Are they not considered distinct by some? To build a new Ivatt Duchess would be a further 'missing link' in steam development, and possibly for the LMS, or Tornado proportions as the ultimate development of a long line, albeit a numerically small development. In terms of steam as a whole, they represent the ultimate development of a line that is traced back, the GWR King (and by extension the Star), if we consider the Princess class to be Stanier’s development of the King. It would also complete the set of Duchesses from Streamlined (Hamilton), 'Proper' (Sutherland), Destreamlined (Birmingham, and protoype Double Chimney), to Ivatt, and be possibly the only class where every varient is preserved (Aside from BR 5MT(?) and BR8P obviously, A4, King), although we'd lack a single Chimney loco in that form, although the historical potential is there...! Plus it would then be possible to have a BR Maroon Duchess again, an opportunity lost when 6229 was reclad. BoT The Hornby Ivatt Duchess really looks lovely I'd happily contribute to any realistic scheme to build a new (4)6256. Only problem I can forsee (give or take raising £4-£5 million and find the skills and workshop capacity to build it!) is that the Duchess being a large loco it might need to be trimmed slightly to keep it gauge friendly for the modern railway. 46233 has found its route availability increasingly restricted this year including on routes where it has run in the very recent past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2017 I'd happily contribute to any realistic scheme to build a new (4)6256. Only problem I can forsee (give or take raising £4-£5 million and find the skills and workshop capacity to build it!) is that the Duchess being a large loco it might need to be trimmed slightly to keep it gauge friendly for the modern railway. 46233 has found its route availability increasingly restricted this year including on routes where it has run in the very recent past. Restricted RA is becoming more of a problem for the big locos as the height has been reduced down to IIRC 13' 1" which many large locos exceed. A Duchess in original form was just about 13' 3" tall and across the beam a near on 9' 0" both of which puts it OOG, see the saga with the King which has just had it's height lopped to get main line certification but now fouls the width restrictions with the same across cylinder measurement. Long locos can have throwover problems as well. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 There's an article on "The "Royal Scot" at Newcastle" http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/trains-illustrated-magazine-december-1954-issue.html?&cat=3777. I for one would be interested to know more - does anyone have a copy?Well, it so happens ..... What do you want to know? It may be a while before I reply - I have a busy day ahead of me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I'll attempt to give a wee bit more info on my previous post for Brushman 47544.It was a Saturday and the Royal Scot,Thames Clyde Express and other trains left Glasgow with their usual locos and worked to Edinburgh thence via Berwick to Newcastle .In all cases Eastern motive power took over- the Royal Scot got a V2 as I recall and the Polmadie locos returned home the same way they came-- on freight trains! The V2 worked to Leeds as I recall It stuck in my mind because to get to Longniddry our bus had to negotiate flood water from an overflowing stream - it had been a very wet morning . The photo of the Queen of Scots is in Power of the A2s by Oxford publishing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Here's the article from the December 1954 "Trains Illustrated". I've cut off the picture at the top of it because it might infringe copyright to show it, but I've left the caption. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamysandy Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thanks to pH for sharing the article.lsold my copy years ago when I was perpetually short of money!So it's nice to see it again Many thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thanks to pH for sharing the article.lsold my copy years ago when I was perpetually short of money!So it's nice to see it again Many thanks If you are ever at the Severn Valley Railway the Erlestoke Manor fund sales coach at Bewdley has complete years of Trains Illustrated etc from the 50’s and 60’s for sale at very reasonable prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Pedro32 Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 So it would appear the BR Red R3555 Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S locos have arrived at Hornby HQ and will shortly be dispatched, as got an email earlier to say my pre-order was being prepared. Cheers Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 So it would appear the BR Red R3555 Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S locos have arrived at Hornby HQ and will shortly be dispatched, as got an email earlier to say my pre-order was being prepared. Cheers Peter It’s my birthday on Friday and my wife has agreed to pay for my preorder as this years present. Fingers crossed it might be here by then!. Pretty impressive by Hornby - from announcement to delivery in less than 12 months. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted October 24, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2017 Hornby's says my order is now processing! Couple of days to wait left i would say. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So it would appear the BR Red R3555 Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S locos have arrived at Hornby HQ and will shortly be dispatched, as got an email earlier to say my pre-order was being prepared. Drooling intensifies.... Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimytimes Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? Edited October 24, 2017 by grimytimes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 From looking at the Hornby site it looks like Duchess of Atholl has arrived as well as this and Sir William no longer have an expected arrival date and both are now flagged as 'new' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? That was my thinking as well. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2017 Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? You like graffitiing locomotives? Prototypical or not, doesn’t make it acceptable or right to do lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2017 Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? You like graffitiing locomotives? Prototypical or not, doesn’t make it acceptable or right to do lol. Easy.... buy two! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2017 Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Really looking forward to this release, can't decide whether to put a yellow stripe on it? That was my thinking as well. Jason What about using a decal set from Fox (or others?). Assuming you don't seal the decal, there is always the option to remove in future... Something to consider given that this loco will sell out. (It is possible that if Hornby re-run 46256 in Maroon, they might do a yellow stripe version to differentiate if from the first release, though I'd guess that a second batch of the Ivatt duchess will likely be 46257 in Green). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted October 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2017 Hey Ilsley, if you are reading this thread(and I suspect you may be) and given your reasons for producing this model, when do you think the revamped Princess will be available, soon I hope.........because I don't want to be in the next world before you do!! Hattons........... I am waiting for Bill mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I'd guess that a second batch of the Ivatt duchess will likely be 46257 in Green). I would agree with this being the most likely 2nd batch. Both locos started out in 1946 LMS black although 46257 was never LMS 6257. I wonder how long before we see either of these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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