No Decorum Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Real steam locos also make copious clouds of steam and smoke but no one, not even the DCC sound enthusiasts worry a jot about that. I do. I don’t like the idea of smoke in confined spaces or heating elements in plastic bodies. Model high summer! Steam often dissipates before condensing and good quality coal, good design and skilful firing often result in little visible exhaust. Alternatively, model the NCB and Lempor ejectors. They were said to produce no more than a heat shimmer even when lighting up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 ... there seem to be lots of options for modellers to hack about the trailing truck to suit their own preferences and layouts. Quite so - that is what I will do. My point is simply that, in many recent cases, the way that Hornby have modelled the trailing trucks as separate items, it would appear to be the case that they have made an extra effort to ensure that the truck cannot pivot, rather than have the option to be fixed or pivotting. I have had to remove this fixing structure on several locos, when it would have been easier for Hornby not to have incorporated it in the first place, and just provided a locking screw. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) MikeParkin65, on 29 Oct 2017 - 11:27, said: Real steam locos also make copious clouds of steam and smoke but no one, not even the DCC sound enthusiasts worry a jot about that. Too right. Personally, I'm happy learning about DCC sound every day....It is so intriguing, but that's a far as I wish to go for the moment. I draw the line at smuts of soot in my eyes, scalds from steam, ash melting Peco sleepers and the fear of my little puffers burning the shed down... Edited October 29, 2017 by coachmann 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I do. I don’t like the idea of smoke in confined spaces or heating elements in plastic bodies. Model high summer! Steam often dissipates before condensing and good quality coal, good design and skilful firing often result in little visible exhaust. Alternatively, model the NCB and Lempor ejectors. They were said to produce no more than a heat shimmer even when lighting up. Some may remember that in the late 70s/80s the use of indoor smoke units in indoor situations such as exhibitions was discussed, it had been found that the inhalation of the smoke was more 'dangerous' than inhaled passive cigarette smoke, some exhibition managers banned smoke unit use. I very rarely used the smoke units on my Garden Railway, even outdoors when the wind was calm the smoke could become oppressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I’m going to ask for a swap. I’m sure they will be fine changing it. Just a bit fed up to get excited on my last free Sunday for a few weeks was over before I put turned the power on. Sadly my DJ 71 just arrived from Merseyside and that’s got scratches all over it too. Not a good day for modelling. If the Sheffield was Rails, they’re very good and will even e-mail a reply paid label. Short of sending someone in person, you can’t ask for much more. All the same, it is a shame when that sort of thing happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 We know of a few shops, can you identify which shops? We haven't received any, nor can I find them on my back-orders. A simple look on the net alone reveals a few of even the big box shifters have not had theirs yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 MikeParkin65, on 29 Oct 2017 - 11:27, said: Too right. Personally, I'm happy learning about DCC sound every day....It is so intriguing, but that's a far as I wish to go for the moment. I draw the line at smuts of soot in my eyes, scalds from steam, ash melting Peco sleepers and the fear of my little puffers burning the shed down... I have only one DCC fitted loco (a black 5) with DCC controlled smoke. It is the oldest sound fitted model I have. I can have either smoke or sound but not both at the same time. It also has a working headlight and firebox glow. The work required to fit sauté smoke units renders the option as being fairly pointless. If someone could do a proper DCC suitable smoke unit like we see on some German Roco models, which will fit in the smoke box, then it might be worth it. As it is, smoke on, which means pouring out lots of smoke in an unrealistic manor has meant no other DCC loco of mine has been so fitted. Working lights and firebox glow have been used again. My only issue now is that modern tender locos have chip and speaker both in the tender. My preference would be for chip to be in the loco and speaker in the tender. This avoids increasing the numbers of wires from 4 to 6 or 8 between loco and tender or needing to buy and fit a second functional chip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2017 Some may remember that in the late 70s/80s the use of indoor smoke units in indoor situations such as exhibitions was discussed, it had been found that the inhalation of the smoke was more 'dangerous' than inhaled passive cigarette smoke, some exhibition managers banned smoke unit use. I very rarely used the smoke units on my Garden Railway, even outdoors when the wind was calm the smoke could become oppressive. Some research holds them to be carcinogenic.If this is the case why would anyone want to take that risk? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2017 Do you need a smoke unit? If not, the sound of a fireman fetching is guts up is a fairly realistic sound.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widnes Model Centre Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 A simple look on the net alone reveals a few of even the big box shifters have not had theirs yet. An even simpler message or two on Messenger yesterday revealed they have and have taken them off sale as they have been all pre-ordered. Not much point in listing them on your website if you don't have any left over. Hattons sold out, Rails, sold out. Kernow had 5 for sale. Looking at my back order and lack of invoice, suggests we aren't getting any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 No clue about my order, pre-ordered with Rails, debit card was declined because the limit was over-spent for the month. Messaged Rails via two platforms and still awaiting a reply 4 days later (I assume the folks there are busy). Hoping to know what's the issue, do I provide alternative details or will they be kind enough to wait a day or two until the card can be used again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2017 I’m going to ask for a swap. I’m sure they will be fine changing it. Just a bit fed up to get excited on my last free Sunday for a few weeks was over before I put turned the power on. Sadly my DJ 71 just arrived from Merseyside and that’s got scratches all over it too. Not a good day for modelling. Check with them re: the availability of a replacement before sending it back! They are selling very fast, though Atholl rather less so than William. An even simpler message or two on Messenger yesterday revealed they have and have taken them off sale as they have been all pre-ordered. Not much point in listing them on your website if you don't have any left over. Hattons sold out, Rails, sold out. Kernow had 5 for sale. Looking at my back order and lack of invoice, suggests we aren't getting any. Kernow had six R3555 for sale overnight but are not listing it now. I picked one up from their stand at the Bodmin MREx this morning. They are still listing Atholl though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grimytimes Posted October 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2017 A couple of pictures of the new red machine, only mobile pics so don't know how they will turn out first time I have done this! 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Bah. Even the trainspotters aren't interested in looking at it. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2017 Tongue-in-cheek - nothing less than Peco largest radius here. My point was that, even on prototype radii, movement of the prototype trailing truck was quite evident. Surely, one point of fora such as this one is to bring to the attention of RTR producers the views of the consumer? The effective pressure of such expressed opinions is evident in the demise of the Hornby Stanier tender 'valance'. If enough consumers were to make it clear to Hornby that the option to have a swivelling pony truck is desired, they may well act. I have explained in this thread - more than once, (see #708) - how this could be achieved whilst still retaining the default option of a fixed / flangeless truck. It is surely counter to the aims of this forum to close down discussion on particular subjects, just because the moderators may not agree with the point being made? Regards, John Isherwood. I'm with you on this, for what it's worth. I discussed this with SK at Warley years ago when the Brit was brought out. I had had the trailing bogie and chassis modified to make it more prototypical and to work around 30" radii. SK looked at the conversion and politely told me that it was so designed as it looks good, in the manner of the engineer - if it looks good it is good. The same work was done on the modified SR Battle of Britain, which also had a pivoting trailing bogie, and to the Clan, which was basically a Brit chassis. To my view, what is wrong with politely putting forward one's opinion? The thing here is that Hornby blithely ignore such a simple issue, working on the basis that one design principle (mod BoB/Brit/Clan/Princess Coronation chassis) suits all and working to the the 'if it looks good' principle. I also don't agree that a modeller should spend on a model so to modify it so that it is nearer the protoype on such basic an issue, particularly when the mod BoB, Brit/Clan and this Ivatt Princess Coronation are concerned. Rant over, full steam ahead with a modified trailing truck on City of Sheffield. Stand-by with flak jacket and helmet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimytimes Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Bah. Even the trainspotters aren't interested in looking at it. Jason A western region Brit was resting on the shed, bit more interesting than something they see most days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I'm with you on this, for what it's worth. I discussed this with SK at Warley years ago when the Brit was brought out. I had had the trailing bogie and chassis modified to make it more prototypical and to work around 30" radii. SK looked at the conversion and politely told me that it was so designed as it looks good, in the manner of the engineer - if it looks good it is good. The same work was done on the modified SR Battle of Britain, which also had a pivoting trailing bogie, and to the Clan, which was basically a Brit chassis. To my view, what is wrong with politely putting forward one's opinion? The thing here is that Hornby blithely ignore such a simple issue, working on the basis that one design principle (mod BoB/Brit/Clan/Princess Coronation chassis) suits all and working to the the 'if it looks good' principle. I also don't agree that a modeller should spend on a model so to modify it so that it is nearer the protoype on such basic an issue, particularly when the mod BoB, Brit/Clan and this Ivatt Princess Coronation are concerned. Rant over, full steam ahead with a modified trailing truck on City of Sheffield. Stand-by with flak jacket and helmet. I think we need a separate topic for fixed and pivoting trailing bogies. If it such a good idea why don't Bachmann or any of the N and O gauge manufactures do it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I think we need a separate topic for fixed and pivoting trailing bogies. If it such a good idea why don't Bachmann or any of the N and O gauge manufactures do it? Do Bachmann make any Pacifics apart from LNER ones which have the Cartazzi Truck? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Well my "City Salford" as managed to pull one point back over Sir bill! Edited October 29, 2017 by farren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted October 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2017 Do Bachmann make any Pacifics apart from LNER ones which have the Cartazzi Truck? Jason They do some Yankee Pacific's but I don’t think they have anything other than LNE currently in their British range. They have several six coupled tank engines with trailing bogies though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairburn Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 A couple of pictures of the new red machine, only mobile pics so don't know how they will turn out first time I have done this! Layout's looking well there, mate. Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Mine turned up today. First time I've used Tennents Trains and would definitely use again. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just had a text from my wife to say a parcel has arrived. I can't imagine I will be working late tonight! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm a bit confused by the posts I've read so.... Does the Duchess of Atholl come with a pair of replacement flanged trailing bogie wheels? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 30, 2017 I'm a bit confused by the posts I've read so.... Does the Duchess of Atholl come with a pair of replacement flanged trailing bogie wheels? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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