'Genesis' 4 & 6 wheel coaches in OO Gauge - New Announcement

[NZRedBaron]

7 hours ago, Gilbert said:

Do you have a product number?

That'd be H4-6CL-601 for the normal one, and H4-6CL-601L for the version with pre-fitted lighting.

[NXEA!]

6 hours ago, NZRedBaron said:

That'd be H4-6CL-601 for the normal one, and H4-6CL-601L for the version with pre-fitted lighting.

That’s the one, sorry for not specifying. 

[Hattons Dave]

Hi everyone,

 

We've received our final decorated samples for the second batch of Genesis coaches - covering the LSWR salmon and brown liveried models.

 

You can see full 360 photos of all liveries here: https://bit.ly/3QcMWYi

 

Please note we have now placed our final order quantities with our factory, and many models are now sold out on pre-order. So pre-ordering is essential to ensure we can fulfill your models.

 

Cheers,

Dave

[Gilbert]

On 04/10/2023 at 09:50, NXEA! said:

That’s the one, sorry for not specifying. 

Is it one of these?

 

[Hattons Dave]

Hi everyone,

 

We're delighted to reveal we received the OO gauge Carriage of the Year award in the Hornby Magazine Awards, hosted at the Great Electric Train Show over the weekend. 

 

A big thank you goes out to all who voted for us!

 

Cheers,

Dave

 

 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Hattons Dave

[Bucoops]

Congratulations - they are very good quality.

 

It is a bit of a shame that the best coach of the year is a "neverwassa" though, but that's more of a reflection of other models rather than your genesis range.

[NXEA!]

On 14/10/2023 at 14:13, Gilbert said:

Is it one of these?

 

Hi there, yes, I’m specifically after D. I’ll send you a PM. 

[Compound2632]

50 minutes ago, Hattons Dave said:

We're delighted to reveal we received the OO gauge Carriage of the Year award in the Hornby Magazine Awards, hosted at the Great Electric Train Show over the weekend. 

 

Congratulations - very pleased to see quality and attention to detail being given due recognition.

[Oldddudders]

1 hour ago, Bucoops said:

Congratulations - they are very good quality.

 

It is a bit of a shame that the best coach of the year is a "neverwassa" though, but that's more of a reflection of other models rather than your genesis range.

In the era of demands for ultra-high fidelity and adherence to works drawings etc, this was thinking outside the box. Plausible models made to high standards, and from an epoch before most modellers' mainstream interests and purchases. Even Big H's crafty attempt to steal this novel market proved less than effective, and their offerings seemed a bit limp by comparison. Hattons also sought to engage with modellers at the development stage to maximise the quasi-authenticity. Awards - and sales - are well-earned and deserved. 

[gwrrob]

2 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

Awards - and sales - are well-earned and deserved. 

 

Yes, Hornby won best manufacturer in the TT120 category.🤣

[Oldddudders]

3 minutes ago, gwrrob said:

 

Yes, Hornby won best manufacturer in the TT120 category.🤣

A close thing, was it?

[Mr chapman]

Hmmm, lswr full brake is sold out on pre order. Does that mean no shop stock or stand by in case someone cancels?

[Nile]

The later.

[JShow]

An email from Hattons says delivery of the Batch 2 liveries has been delayed until May, 2024.

[MattR]

Great. Now I have to hope I can keep my birthday money untouched for 6 months to be able to pay for the damn things.

[TJ52]

Whatever happened to willpower!

 

Terry

[tractionman]

On 02/11/2023 at 15:07, JShow said:

An email from Hattons says delivery of the Batch 2 liveries has been delayed until May, 2024.

 

I hope this delay might be a sign that Hatton's are increasing their factory orders of these! Especially the Midland Railway ones, as they're all sold out on pre-order... clearly there is high demand.

[Nile]

It may be too late for that, lead times can be rather long.

I'm happy with a short delay, there are enough bills already at the end of the year.

[PhilJ W]

2 hours ago, tractionman said:

 

I hope this delay might be a sign that Hatton's are increasing their factory orders of these! Especially the Midland Railway ones, as they're all sold out on pre-order... clearly there is high demand.

And the GE ones as well, all sold out on pre-order.

[MoonM]

Wondering if hattons will be considering rereleasing some popular batch 1 liveries again in batch 3 or 4? Second hand prices suggest plenty of demand. With a certain manufacturer rereleasing their Stirling Single, I have a desire for a full rake of gnr teak. Can't be the only one...

[PhilJ W]

Are there any unsold models from all batches? The reason I am asking is that I wish to modify some and the modifications would require a complete repainting anyway so the livery is unimportant. I want a four wheel brake third/full third and a six wheel third.

[Moxy]

5 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

Are there any unsold models from all batches? The reason I am asking is that I wish to modify some and the modifications would require a complete repainting anyway so the livery is unimportant. I want a four wheel brake third/full third and a six wheel third.

 

There's 6 wheel 3rds in NCB & CIE liveries

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/492557/hattons_originals_h4_6t_1501a_6_wheel_3rd_in_ncb_blue/stockdetail

https://www.hattons.co.uk/1056103/hattons_originals_h4_6t_1701b_6_wheel_3rd_419_in_cie_dark_green/stockdetail

 

And 4 wheel brake 3rds in BR Crimson & LSWR liveries

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/492550/hattons_originals_h4_4bt_1401b_4_wheel_brake_3rd_in_br_crimson/stockdetail

https://www.hattons.co.uk/492537/hattons_originals_h4_4bt_1301b_4_wheel_brake_3rd_in_lswr_salmon_and_brown/stockdetail

 

All due for delivery around May 2024

 

I haven't used it myself, but Hattons operate a 'wishlist,'  where they will email you if a particular (currently sold out) model becomes available, eg if someone cancels their order.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

[gr.king]

I may easily be wasting my time by asking these questions, but I'm prepared to try...

 

As has been mentioned many times, one of the major objections (if not the major objection) to use of these coaches to represent various vehicles built for some of the pre-group that later became part of the LNER is the shape of the simple low-arc roof.  The Howlden-era coaches of the GNR (including transfers to the ECJS and the M&GN),  the original "large stock" of the Eastern & Midland railway (later part of the M &GN), and various 6 wheelers of the North British Railway had "three centre round" or semi-elliptical roofs, with much more curvature near the edges. I find that this "stands out a mile" in photographs, even those taken from some distance.  In the case of the GNR vehicles, the style of the side panelling is also wrong, lacking the necessary squared corners, raised beading and deep waist band of panels, yet Hattons have chosen to present these vehicles as GNR examples or numbered as former GNR vehicles in alleged LNER brown, even though other LNER constituents had stock with low arc roofs. The panelling style is at least more nearly acceptable for M&GN large stock or the NBR. Then in all cases there's the question of layout of compartments, windows, doors, duckets, underframe details etc, but if we ignore all of those anomalies for the moment, my questions are these:

Among those who use, intend to use, or who would like to use these RTR vehicles to represent one of the above types of carriage, how many think that the compromise would become much more acceptable if an alternative, simple, clip-on roof of the right kind of profile were available (even if it left visible joints in the upper parts of the carriage ends)? How much extra per vehicle would buyers be willing to pay for a different roof? How many would be willing to have a go at fitting their own ventilators and lamp tops to a plain roof - possibly sourcing these by carefully pushing out from beneath the fittings from the standard roof?

[PhilJ W]

11 minutes ago, gr.king said:

I may easily be wasting my time by asking these questions, but I'm prepared to try...

 

As has been mentioned many times, one of the major objections (if not the major objection) to use of these coaches to represent various vehicles built for some of the pre-group that later became part of the LNER is the shape of the simple low-arc roof.  The Howlden-era coaches of the GNR (including transfers to the ECJS and the M&GN),  the original "large stock" of the Eastern & Midland railway (later part of the M &GN), and various 6 wheelers of the North British Railway had "three centre round" or semi-elliptical roofs, with much more curvature near the edges. I find that this "stands out a mile" in photographs, even those taken from some distance.  In the case of the GNR vehicles, the style of the side panelling is also wrong, lacking the necessary squared corners, raised beading and deep waist band of panels, yet Hattons have chosen to present these vehicles as GNR examples or numbered as former GNR vehicles in alleged LNER brown, even though other LNER constituents had stock with low arc roofs. The panelling style is at least more nearly acceptable for M&GN large stock or the NBR. Then in all cases there's the question of layout of compartments, windows, doors, duckets, underframe details etc, but if we ignore all of those anomalies for the moment, my questions are these:

Among those who use, intend to use, or who would like to use these RTR vehicles to represent one of the above types of carriage, how many think that the compromise would become much more acceptable if an alternative, simple, clip-on roof of the right kind of profile were available (even if it left visible joints in the upper parts of the carriage ends)? How much extra per vehicle would buyers be willing to pay for a different roof? How many would be willing to have a go at fitting their own ventilators and lamp tops to a plain roof - possibly sourcing these by carefully pushing out from beneath the fittings from the standard roof?

Would it not be better to make the bare underframes available for scratch builders to fit their own bodies or aftermarket 3D bodies?  

[woodenhead]

17 minutes ago, gr.king said:

Among those who use, intend to use, or who would like to use these RTR vehicles to represent one of the above types of carriage, how many think that the compromise would become much more acceptable if an alternative, simple, clip-on roof of the right kind of profile were available (even if it left visible joints in the upper parts of the carriage ends)? How much extra per vehicle would buyers be willing to pay for a different roof? How many would be willing to have a go at fitting their own ventilators and lamp tops to a plain roof - possibly sourcing these by carefully pushing out from beneath the fittings from the standard roof?

I think for most people they are probably happy with the generic version, for those who it does matter more they either build their own from scratch or kits or would at least change the roof, the ventilators etc themselves.

 

I would look at these coaches as basically a starting point, how much of the coach remains is purely down to how important accurately profiled coaches are to you and for most who choose this route it is probably not that important.