The Night Mail

[PhilJ W]

1 hour ago, polybear said:

 

Bear would quite like that kit - do you recall what it was called by any chance?

IIRC it was just described as a road/rail bus. A very crude model even by 1960's standards, no floor or interior to start with. If you Google LMS/Karrier road/rail bus you will see some far better 3D printed ones.

Edited December 20, 2021 by PhilJ W

[AndyID]

1 hour ago, Dave Hunt said:

 

Some years ago Dutch friends of ours came over here to stay and spent a few days in Scotland on the way. On arrival our friend Wim said that he had noticed quite a few dialect words in Scots that were either the same as or very similar to words in Frisian dialect.

 

Dave

 

My mum and dad were from Ayrshire and they recognized a lot of words in Holland that were identical to the Auld Scots.

[pH]

1 hour ago, pH said:

A Norwegian I worked with recognized some Scots dialect words, too. 

 

41 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

 

I think we can thank the Hanseatic League for a lot of that.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

I think it’s at least as likely that the influence of Norwegian on Scots language comes from the occupation, for several hundred years, of significant parts of Scotland by Vikings. That occupation, other than of the Orkneys and Shetlands, ended in the 1260s:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish–Norwegian_War

[rockershovel]

I'm told by my niece (who did a Masters in some sort of archaeology at Durham, so presumably knows) that Old Norse is readily detectable in local dialects from the Tyne to Aberdeen and beyond; the "Western Isles" Gaelic is a recognisable variant of older Irish forms, but Northumbrian is different; and the local Kielder variant bears traces of having been largely settled by Roman troops from the Danube basin.

 

Certainly the East Anglian accent is strongly influenced from Jutland, Zealand and the South-West Baltic.

Edited December 21, 2021 by rockershovel

[jamie92208]

6 hours ago, pH said:

 

I think it’s at least as likely that the influence of Norwegian on Scots language comes from the occupation, for several hundred years, of significant parts of Scotland by Vikings. That occupation, other than of the Orkneys and Shetlands, ended in the 1260s:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish–Norwegian_War

As does the norse names in the north east such as Penyghent, one of the three peaks. I was told that it meant hill of the four winds in norse but may well be wrongly informed.   Here Brits are often thought to be deficient in French but are often quiite easily recognised. I have heard a few people dissing us in supermarkets. It's quite funny to use a bit of French as you walk past them and see their faces.  Apparently  people from our small village are known as Saleignois.

 

Anyway we are not getting off the ferry at Portsmouth as we should have been but are still at home.  

 

Jamie

Edited December 21, 2021 by jamie92208

[AndyID]

11 minutes ago, jamie92208 said:

Anyway we are not getting off the ferry at Portsmouth as we should have been but are still at home. 

 

As they say en français,

 

"Quelle bummer."

[AndyID]

Speaking of which I almost did an A over T today while walking Shona our Scottie. I was going down an incline and it turned out there was a layer of ice on the road hidden under a few inches of snow. I had my grips on my boots but that didn't stop me. Fortunately there were no serious injuries. It was just a few yards from where I did something similar a couple of years ago. That time I broke my wrist.

 

Skiing is a lot safer.

[TheQ]

Norfolk has a lot of Dutch and Flemish words in the dialect, a lot of Flemings came over in the weaving industry, and of course we are just across the water from the Nederlands. Similar countryside, Norwich is 148 miles from Amsterdam, therefore closer than most of the UK.. Until WW1 Norwich was a major weaving centre..

 

Meanwhile in the Hebrides the Clan MacNeil  from Barra, always had "history " of coming from Ireland and the O' Neil Clan there.. When Genetically tested they were almost 100% Viking...

 

Me, I can barely Speak English, though I made an attempt to learn Italian some years ago.. At School it was a explosive half French, French teacher who launched into all sorts of tenses and genders.... When we hadn't learnt that in English.. so we had no chance.

 

 My little brother, had the advantage of learning English at home,  speaking Gaidhilig  at school in the playground and receiving Gaidhilig lessons at School , so he's fluent.. of course once you've got more than one language early on, it's easier to learn others.. So he can speak, Russian, French, German, a bit of Spanish and Thai..

[Oldddudders]

9 hours ago, polybear said:

 

Bear would quite like that kit - do you recall what it was called by any chance?

Something like Ro-Rail Bus, I think. 

[polybear]

46 minutes ago, AndyID said:

Speaking of which I almost did an A over T today while walking Shona our Scottie. I was going down an incline and it turned out there was a layer of ice on the road hidden under a few inches of snow. I had my grips on my boots but that didn't stop me. Fortunately there were no serious injuries. It was just a few yards from where I did something similar a couple of years ago. That time I broke my wrist.

 

Skiing is a lot safer.

 

Bear encountered something similar back in the winter of '81 whilst riding to work down a country lane on my trusty Suzuki TS50ER.  As I came down a pretty clear downhill stretch towards a T junction I suddenly discovered compacted snow and ice all over the last 50 yards (a.k.a. "The braking zone").  Well the rear locked up as soon as I applied the brakes  - and I quickly discovered that grabbing the front brake in panic mode only makes things go from bad to very, very worse 

As I was picking myself up and had just wheeled my trusty steed (fortunately - and amazingly - totally undamaged, apart from a bent rear brake pedal) to the side of the road an Escort Van did a very nice 360 on the spot where I'd just been laying.  Cost me seven quid for a new pedal IIRC - and as my weekly wage was £31 (or £35?) it was a bit of a hit.

[New Haven Neil]

It was a slippery bank that I slid down a couple of feet when I broke my foot in half - never having managed more than bumps and bruises after several motorcycle crashes over the years!  As Andy says, walking is dangerous, I'll stick to bikes.

 

The Geordie accent has loads of Scandie words in it, when I spent some time in Norway many signs were intelligible to me provided I 'read' them thinking in a Geordie accent.  Hjem/home was the first one that popped into mind.  Gannin hyem.  Nice folk too.

[jamie92208]

It's not all doom and gloom down here.   Last night we watched a bit of telly and Beth made herself aG & T, at the same time she complained about the number of whisky bottles in the drinks cabinet.  Of course I had to be a supportive husband so did my bit by finishing a bottle of Glenlivet that was at the front.

 

Jamie

[Happy Hippo]

2 hours ago, AndyID said:

Skiing is a lot safer.

Tell that to Michael Schumaker.

 

I wish to start a conspiracy theory:

 

The 2022 Stafford Railway Circle show was cancelled not because of the current health crisis.

 

The organisers were terrified of the fall out from the collision of two huge egos were the infamous and nefarious Crab and Pongo residents of Shropshire to meet for a cake in the cafe area. 

[Dave Hunt]

2 minutes ago, Happy Hippo said:

 

I wish to start a conspiracy theory:

 

The 2022 Stafford Railway Circle show was cancelled not because of the current health crisis.

 

The organisers were terrified of the fall out from the collision of two huge egos were the infamous and nefarious Crab and Pongo residents of Shropshire to meet for a cake in the cafe area. 

 

I think that it was more to do with the caterers being afraid that there would be riots when cake supplies ran out shortly after opening.

 

Dave

[polybear]

 

2 hours ago, Dave Hunt said:

 

I think that it was more to do with the caterers being afraid that there would be riots when cake supplies ran out shortly after opening.

 

Dave

 

Actually the cake supplies were non-existent even before opening - the Caterers having been "hit" one dark and gloomy night.

Must go - I need to make a couple of new holes in my belt.....

[PhilJ W]

3 hours ago, TheQ said:

Norfolk has a lot of Dutch and Flemish words in the dialect, a lot of Flemings came over in the weaving industry, and of course we are just across the water from the Nederlands. Similar countryside, Norwich is 148 miles from Amsterdam, therefore closer than most of the UK.. Until WW1 Norwich was a major weaving centre..

When doing my family tree I came across the name Jiggins (one of my great grandmothers). The name is not common outside of north Essex where a lot of the Flemish weavers settled. The name Jiggins comes from the Flemish for a jolly fellow.

[PhilJ W]

14 hours ago, polybear said:

 

Bear would quite like that kit - do you recall what it was called by any chance?

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/4845-ks-lms-karrier-ro-railer/

There was one sold on E-bay a couple of weeks ago.

 

[jamie92208]

1 hour ago, PhilJ W said:

When doing my family tree I came across the name Jiggins (one of my great grandmothers). The name is not common outside of north Essex where a lot of the Flemish weavers settled. The name Jiggins comes from the Flemish for a jolly fellow.

Our old village of Gildersome  is probably derived from Gelder^s Zoom when weavers from Gelderland settled on a hilltop outside Leeds after fleeing religious persecution.  They were annabaptists and our chapel was recorded as a congregation  back in the 1600's.  Initially it grew as an 'underground' church and came into the open after the Act of Toleration.  The actual chapel was started in 1707.  Geldard Road, which is the A62 has the same root.  The village had active mills into the 1980's.

Edited December 21, 2021 by jamie92208

[Happy Hippo]

We had another outdoor session on Pantmawr North this morning.

 

This time it was making up the backscene spacers and fitting them in place.

 

When I have time over the next few days, these will then be screwed  and glued into place.

 

Then I can get on with the carcasses for the various bridges.

 

However, my next job is to remove a lot of stuff that was removed from the loft space and deliver it to the recycling centre.

 

Since this had been requested by higher management, it is a priority tasking.

[Happy Hippo]

A drum paddle broke off the washing machine a few days ago.

 

A pair of replacements were purchased so I had a spare.

 

Fitting proved slightly problematic as quite a bit of excess plastic had to be removed from the clips to allow them even to engage on the catches.

 

But trying to push them together was nigh on impossible.  So I was forced to deploy my precision engineering equipment:  A  large hammer and a block of wood.

 

A few gentle blows and the paddle is now a snug fit with the drum.

 

It's getting dark, so I might be forced to take Sherry (from a bottle, not Ashcombe!)

 

 

Edited December 21, 2021 by Happy Hippo

[SM42]

Tidying is the order of the day here. In fact it will be going on all week.

The tip will get a refill tomorrow. 

The vacuum needs a rest and I've got a wall to paint all before Friday 

I may be a little busy for  a while. 

 

Andy

[Happy Hippo]

If we don't have a tidy up or a clear out on a daily basis then the Hippodrome is in crisis.

 

If I didn't spend all my time tidying or embarking on another clear out, I might be forced to do something meaningful!

[Florence Locomotive Works]

Morning all,

 

I don’t have much to say about languages other than that I’m not very good at them bar English. My mother however is a French prof and my sister is nearly fluent in Spanish and she’s younger than me!

 

Re ice: many moons ago I was breaking ice columns off one of the grandmothers fountains (this has to be done as otherwise the weight would break ‘fountain ye see) When I suddenly slipped and fell in the partially frozen pond surrounding the fountain. The pond was only 18 inches deep but I was about 8 and feel on my side so I was completely immersed. 
 

Having regained my senses I emerged forth from the icy lagoon looking like a bedraggled coal miner ( the thing was full of silt) much to the amusement and horror of my sister. 
 

I then ran around and inside the house to the total shock of my grandmother, who then in true “saving the frozen lamb” fashion laid me out on blankets in front of the fireplace. 
 

Here’s the fountain back in 2020.

 

 

 

In other news, painted wheels have been fitted to Brunel. I think they came out very nice.

 

 

 

Douglas

[Oldddudders]

2 hours ago, Happy Hippo said:

It's getting dark, so I might be forced to take Sherry (from a bottle, not Ashcombe!)

A card from a friend. 

 

[Dave Hunt]

As a Liverpudlian, all this talk of languages and accents makes me wonder what was the origin of the Scouse accent/dialect. I know that some comedian once said it was due to most Liverpudlians having been punched up the hooter more than once but maybe there is a more academically based version?

 

Mind you, when I was being taught German at school, the master said that as Scousers we would find it relatively easy to pronounce German words.

 

Dave