Paul.Uni Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 It looks like we've got a logo: https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742051 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742052 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742053 Is nothing sacred? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Paul.Uni said: It looks like we've got a logo: https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742051 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742052 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003742053 Is nothing sacred? I guess including the Union Jack varied spacing it incorporates the national flag. I suspect this means that can leave the arrows as a station sign as it is too if they don’t get carried away with it. Edited February 10, 2022 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Ouch! They've taken two things that each works very well as a symbol, and melded them together to make something that, to me at least, looks far too busy and uncomfortable, and will either dictate, or get in the way of, whatever livery is applied to trains. Messy. How does Northern Ireland fit into all this, BTW? 2 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: How does Northern Ireland fit into all this, BTW? ... as in, the St Patrick saltire is in there? Once the bridge is built, there will be through running with full integration of the Northern Ireland railways into Great British Railways... (I know, I know... Just remember that obtruding inconvenient facts marks you down as unpatriotic!) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: How does Northern Ireland fit into all this, BTW? Don’t you mean Wales? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: ... as in, the St Patrick saltire is in there? Once the bridge is built, there will be through running with full integration of the Northern Ireland railways into Great British Railways... (I know, I know... Just remember that obtruding inconvenient facts marks you down as unpatriotic!) The Spanish Railways have a system that allows drive-through gauge conversion on trains equipped with it. The imaginary bridge is more likely to be the problem. John 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: The Spanish Railways have a system that allows drive-through gauge conversion on trains equipped with it. The imaginary bridge is more likely to be the problem. John Bring back the NCC and call the whole shebang the Midland Railway. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) What's that font, Univers? Yawn! C6T. As you were, I initially just saw the GBR logo, full wording is Rail Alphabet, good. Edited February 10, 2022 by Classsix T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 That is a terrible job. It hurts my eyes and at smaller scales just going to be a mess. It’s like a bad print job where one colour has shifted. Maybe just a metaphor for the whole process… 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2022 I can see nany Scots along with some Northern Irish, Welsh and Cornish being annoyed. Whilst they are part of the union and (Cornish excepted) enjoy levels of self-determination the desire for full independence remains strong with some. I guess the owner of the original BR double arrow might want more money for its use than the design consultants asked for the new version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, number6 said: That is a terrible job. It hurts my eyes and at smaller scales just going to be a mess. It’s like a bad print job where one colour has shifted. Maybe just a metaphor for the whole process… Let's not mess about here, whilst the font is acceptable the symbol is CRAP!!! Davey 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Presumably this will replace the current double arrow to denote stations on signposts, maps, etc. I think it looks ok, very patriotic which may conflict with with those on one side of a certain referendum some years ago.......which incidentally I had no part of being out of the country since the end of BR! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, number6 said: That is a terrible job. It hurts my eyes and at smaller scales just going to be a mess. It’s like a bad print job where one colour has shifted. Maybe just a metaphor for the whole process… Yuh, as a former press operator myself, that logo fills me with dread on anything but a multicolour press. Literally no room for manoeuvre in terms of registration. Are the colours mentioned in the spec anywhere? Red looks like Pantone 032 or 100Y/100M. Blue is very dark, Pantone 281 or maybe 289 so 100C/60M/20K ish? Pantone 300 might've looked nicer. C6T. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2022 I can't imagine it being used on stations in Wales and Scotland which are responsible for their own internal railways - but not "international" ones of course. If it is I can imagine some pretty strong words from Cardiff and Edinburgh. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jeff Smith said: I think it looks ok, very patriotic which may conflict with with those on one side of a certain referendum some years ago. Understandably perhaps, given that you appear to be on a different continent, you seem to be getting deeply, deeply confused about what that referendum was about. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2022 The logo is a design-illiterate mess. Frank Pick would be turning in his grave. Looks like it was knocked up by one of Shapps' SPADs in their lunchtime using Microsoft Paint and a cheap scanner. What on earth was wrong with the simple double arrow symbol, perhaps in a box, plus the name of the organisation? Richard T 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Understandably perhaps, given that you appear to be on a different continent, you seem to be getting deeply, deeply confused about what that referendum was about. To be fair, Jeff maybe referring to the Land north of Berwick referendum Kev, not the bollox on a bus one? Or you are...my head hurts! Either way, when Anglia breaks away from the Union we'll have our nice turquoise liveries back thankyouverymuch. C6T. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Classsix T said: To be fair, Jeff maybe referring to the Land north of Berwick referendum Kev, not the bollox on a bus one? Or you are...my head hurts! Good point. I leapt to the conclusion, perhaps wrongly, that he was talking about the Lands Across The Channel one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Good point. I leapt to the conclusion, perhaps wrongly, that he was talking about the Lands Across The Channel one. They have taken this one the whole nine yards really. The normal Tory fixation that British means English... Because of course this Great British Railways only pertains to the franchises running within England because of the devolved administrations having direct control of their railways. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) On 10/02/2022 at 21:50, corneliuslundie said: I can't imagine it being used on stations in Wales and Scotland which are responsible for their own internal railways - but not "international" ones of course. If it is I can imagine some pretty strong words from Cardiff and Edinburgh. Jonathan They'll likely continue using the old logo as that exists within Railtrack's purview does it not? [Brain fart, meant Network Rail...obviously... well maybe not so obviously to a penguin of little brain like myself...] Edited February 11, 2022 by frobisher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, frobisher said: They have taken this one the whole nine yards really. The normal Tory fixation that British means English... Because of course this Great British Railways only pertains to the franchises running within England because of the devolved administrations having direct control of their railways. (just hoping Mr. York's banhammer doesn't come down too visiously on this, not that I don't disagree) C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2022 41 minutes ago, frobisher said: They have taken this one the whole nine yards really. The normal Tory fixation that British means English... Because of course this Great British Railways only pertains to the franchises running within England because of the devolved administrations having direct control of their railways. 39 minutes ago, frobisher said: They'll likely continue using the old logo as that exists within Railtrack's purview does it not? I'm assuming the proposed organisation included Network Rail who currently own the railways in England, Scotland and Wales. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted February 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Oh no. It's just a mess. I was told at a talk last night by Sir Peter Hendy (chairman of Network Rail) that the 'new' logo was produced with the help of some of those from the DRU who worked on BR's original corporate identity. I cannot believe any of them would've signed off on this. I am struggling to find anything good about it at all. It is not going to sit well on vehicles, it is meaningless to large parts of the union (if the flag thing is meant to represent that) and if you want to turn the union flag into an arrow BEA did it far better on the tailplanes of its Tridents about half a century ago. It is quite impressive in one sense - it has found a way for literally every single element in it to somehow clash with the others. Perhaps they should've copied EWS and opened up the logo design to a public competition, or better still asked MIke Denny/Roundel to have a bash. cheers Ben A. Edited February 10, 2022 by Revolution Ben 3 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Jeff Smith said: Presumably this will replace the current double arrow to denote stations on signposts, maps, etc. I think it looks ok, very patriotic which may conflict with with those on one side of a certain referendum some years ago.......which incidentally I had no part of being out of the country since the end of BR! It won't, the station signage is in the process of being redone using the Rail Alphabet 2 protocols which are remarkably similar to the 1970s BR style. Unfortunately, the new railway structure has not been given the freedom to create it's own identity as it is caught in a Government proxy war with the devolved nations. So we'll just (for now) have to grit our teeth for now. Then again, it took British Railways 17 years from inception in 1948 to the point where it could create a complete and coherent identity (and however nostalgic you may feel about steam era BR, the visual identities for station signage, locos, rolling stock etc were very disjointed. I mean, green engines with maroon coaches?). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: Good point. I leapt to the conclusion, perhaps wrongly, that he was talking about the Lands Across The Channel one. Actually, although being an ex-pat since 1988 I would happily have added my Non vote but couldn't. However there are a number of Euro nations that still have nationalized railway systems that I think are still a good idea. By the way I now have a nice blue British passport that matches my blue US passport......... Edited February 10, 2022 by Jeff Smith Adding trivia...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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