RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 25/11/2022 at 08:55, Oldddudders said: Source? Ferrari website 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: I am not surprised. The Italian media & Ferrari's senior management put their F1 team under huge pressure to win. Binotto stated early on in his time as team principal that he should be judged after a season with the new technical rules, not before. That is now. The team was expected to win either or both of the driver's or constructor's title. Second in both is not good enough. I believe Binotto managed his 'no blame culture' wrong. Instead of exonerating blame & removing pressure, it meant that the 2 people under most pressure, the drivers, were not allowed any way of easing it on themselves. Sainz made several errors early on which looked like they were caused by him trying too hard. Once he got his first win, he looked a lot more settled. Leclerc took the blame for his spin in France & he never looked as confident again. I hope he has success with whatever he does next. He seems to be one of the more genuine in the paddock. They need to fire that pit strategy guy asap. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: The team was expected to win either or both of the driver's or constructor's title. Second in both is not good enough Second in the drivers championship was possibly only down to Crashtappen being selfish! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 27 minutes ago, didcot said: Second in the drivers championship was possibly only down to Crashtappen being selfish! I agree with that. Ferrari could have asked Leclerc & Sainz to give Leclerc 3rd in Brazil & therefore 3 points extra but I guess they felt it more important to give Sainz the confidence from another podium. Verstappen could easily have given Perez 3 more points in Brazil (1 in the sprint & 2 in the main race) but he won the title several races ago. Surely the team should have given Perez better support after then & not just by asking the drivers to give each other places on the track. 1 driver is dominant in most teams, getting their preferred mechanics, race engineer & strategy which all make a difference. Red Bull have quite clearly favoured 1 driver for many years, which is why Verstappen has had so many team mates who have done reasonably well with in Alpha Tauri/Toro Rosso. But once the driver's title has been decided, why continue to support the driver who has already won anyway? I believe they would have won a load of support in Mexico if they had supported Perez better in front of his home fans. 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: I agree with that. Ferrari could have asked Leclerc & Sainz to give Leclerc 3rd in Brazil & therefore 3 points extra but I guess they felt it more important to give Sainz the confidence from another podium. Verstappen could easily have given Perez 3 more points in Brazil (1 in the sprint & 2 in the main race) but he won the title several races ago. Surely the team should have given Perez better support after then & not just by asking the drivers to give each other places on the track. 1 driver is dominant in most teams, getting their preferred mechanics, race engineer & strategy which all make a difference. Red Bull have quite clearly favoured 1 driver for many years, which is why Verstappen has had so many team mates who have done reasonably well with in Alpha Tauri/Toro Rosso. But once the driver's title has been decided, why continue to support the driver who has already won anyway? I believe they would have won a load of support in Mexico if they had supported Perez better in front of his home fans. Or you know, the win at Silverstone... Or the best pit strategy at Monaco. Edited November 30, 2022 by OnTheBranchline 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Looking forward to the elders drawing a line under all this angst in preparation for the 2023 season.... However, I suppose it lets all and sundry blow off steam until then! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Hroth said: Looking forward to the elders drawing a line under all this angst in preparation for the 2023 season.... However, I suppose it lets all and sundry blow off steam until then! You must be new to F1, it’s more political than secondary school. 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Just now, OnTheBranchline said: You must be new to F1, it’s more political than secondary school. I wasn't thinking that 2023 was going to be any better.... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2022 Hold on I’ve just figured out why they have a break this time of year, it’s panto season! Max, Helmut and Christian will be busy playing the step sisters . . . 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SR71 Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2022 "Max, Checko is behind you" "O no he isn't" "O yes he is..." 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Hold on I’ve just figured out why they have a break this time of year, it’s panto season! Max, Helmut and Christian will be busy playing the step sisters . . . But which one is which? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 Horner and Wolff were interviewed last year at the last race. Asked if they would be seeing each other over the festive period Wolff shrugged it off, but Horner said not unless Toto is in a pantomime and he would take his kids along to see it. Sums Horner up, pantomime villain. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2022 1 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted December 4, 2022 Author Share Posted December 4, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63851584 Patrick Tambay passes. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 I’m truly saddened by the news. M. Tambay always came across as a true gentleman, and he will be sorely missed. If there is a racing drivers’ heaven, there’ll be a lot of laughs there tonight as he catches up with his dear friend Gilles Villeneuve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 hours ago, didcot said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/63851584 Patrick Tambay passes. He was younger than me! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted December 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2022 11 hours ago, PhilJ W said: He was younger than me! Sorry to break the news to you, but you're posting on a Railway Modelling Forum; virtually *everyone* is younger than you... 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 hours ago, PeterStiles said: Sorry to break the news to you, but you're posting on a Railway Modelling Forum; virtually *everyone* is younger than you... And lets not get started on policemen.... 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Jiff Kenobi Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Best not start on policemen, they tend to fight back! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Obi-Jiff Kenobi said: Best not start on policemen, they tend to fight back! And a small minority are already getting a lot of negative press in the UK in recent times...... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Oldddudders said: And a small minority are already getting a lot of negative press in the UK in recent times...... The 'one bad apple' analogy? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2022 Patrick Tambay was a gentle man. He drove Ferrari No 27 in 1982 a fateful year for Ferrari with the loss of the great Giles Villeneuve. Pironi and Tambay picked up the pieces and Peroni was championship favourite until his terrible crash at the German GP that year during parctice. Tambay, driving car 27, Villeneuve's race number, won the race the next day. A very emotional moment in motor racing history. As Mr Ferrari said, I knew I had the best driver in the world with Giles, I did not know I had the next best driver in Pironi, only for this hope to be dashed. Ferrari probably had the best car in 1982 but events put paid to their championship bid. Pironi recovered from his injuries only to loose his life in a racing speedboat crash some years later.... Kind regards, Richard PS - Ian, if any of the facts are wrong I am relying on you to correct me... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2022 Just now, 30368 said: Patrick Tambay was a gentle man. He drove Ferrari No 27 in 1982 a fateful year for Ferrari with the loss of the great Giles Villeneuve. Pironi and Tambay picked up the pieces and Peroni was championship favourite until his terrible crash at the German GP that year during parctice. Tambay, driving car 27, Villeneuve's race number, won the race the next day. A very emotional moment in motor racing history. As Mr Ferrari said, I knew I had the best driver in the world with Giles, I did not know I had the next best driver in Pironi, only for this hope to be dashed. Ferrari probably had the best car in 1982 but events put paid to their championship bid. Pironi recovered from his injuries only to loose his life in a racing speedboat crash some years later.... Kind regards, Richard PS - Ian, if any of the facts are wrong I am relying on you to correct me... That and Tambay was sort of in contention in 1983 for a while. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, 30368 said: Ferrari probably had the best car in 1982 but events put paid to their championship bid. So no change 40 years later! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted December 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2022 3 hours ago, didcot said: So no change 40 years later! Well Didcot, a lot has changed since 1982 for Ferrari, including, a few Championships if I recall correctly.... Agree though, things not managed well this year. Kind regards, Richard B 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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