RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted January 20 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20 15 minutes ago, Bryn_Bach_Railway said: The original announcement on the revolution trains website definitely states OO would have 22Plux. Just interesting to hear that one interface is more flexible than the other, however it’s understandable that one is chosen above the other if that’s the case. can see another case of people struggling to find the appropriate decoders to access all the functions with the amount of 21pin decoders available that differ in ability. But if it gives more features on the model then it’s a worthwhile compromise it seems. (https://revolutiontrains.com/revolution-goes-ahead-with-adelante-and-coradia/) *apologies if this along with my last posts in this thread seem a bit augmentative or overly critical, That’s not my intention at all. I’m simply incredibly excited and interested for these models (was even going to attempt making a class 175 myself before time became to sparse) and just want them to be as close to the real thing as possible* The original announcement was for a Plux 22, but on the website for pre ordering it was changed to DCC socket. The 21 MTC decoder has one extra output which gives us the flexibility needed and is the reason we’ve chosen to go with that interface. Hope that helps. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kaput Posted January 20 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20 That might be a first that I've ever seen it said a 21MTC had more outputs and greater flexibility than a Plux22. Interesting. At least with Plux22 theres only one type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted January 20 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Kaput said: That might be a first that I've ever seen it said a 21MTC had more outputs and greater flexibility than a Plux22. Interesting. At least with Plux22 theres only one type. Because we partner ESU for our sound decoders, the 21 MTC interface is more suited to how we’ve arranged the auxiliary outputs. This has been designed for us by ESU so that we can access all of the functions we’ve asked for. The Plux interface does indeed mean just one decoder type but ESU weren’t keen to go down this route, despite them making Plux 22 decoders. 4 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 And realistically, that's the way models are going - DCC fitted at least. From a support point of view, it must be easier to have everything as factory standard as manufacturers don't know if it's a person's decoder that doesn't play ball, or the unit. I prefer DCC fitted as models are getting a bit too intricate to get apart to put in a decoder. Fully understand some people like to tinker with CVs and such and so having their own decoder may be worth it for them but manufacturers surely need to look at the majority, not the small amount of people tinkering. Also fully understand some people will want to grease the motor every so often but I wonder how modern trains are fairing over those from the 70s, 80s and 90s as I suspect anything post 2000 doesn't need the same care and attention as something pre-2000. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekdoestrains Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Sir TophamHatt said: I prefer DCC fitted as models are getting a bit too intricate to get apart to put in a decoder. The future is removable sections to allow for easy access… no more removing the whole body… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted January 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27 Indeed - we’ve been trying to with new models to find good (easy!) places for decoders to be fitted without the need to remove bodies. On the 175/180 the decoder goes under one of the air con roof pods. cheers Mike 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 25/01/2024 at 12:04, Sir TophamHatt said: DCC fitted at least. I dunno. I don't buy DCC fitted unless it's an ESU decoder. I'm sure there's quite a few like me who buy one make of decoder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stationroad Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 22 minutes ago, TomScrut said: I dunno. I don't buy DCC fitted unless it's an ESU decoder. I'm sure there's quite a few like me who buy one make of decoder. Same here, though my primary reason is to have Railcom support. Realistically ESU seems the most reliable game in town for that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, stationroad said: Same here, though my primary reason is to have Railcom support. Realistically ESU seems the most reliable game in town for that. Exactly why I stick to them as well. Although I do think their function mapping is also beyond anyone else I have encountered. I'm sure even the Zimo system isn't quite as configurable unless they have changed it recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kaput Posted January 27 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27 48 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Exactly why I stick to them as well. Although I do think their function mapping is also beyond anyone else I have encountered. I'm sure even the Zimo system isn't quite as configurable unless they have changed it recently. Zimo swiss mapping can do most of what ESU decoders can do function wise. ESU does have a little edge on some light modes (i.e. if you set a light to turn off when moving on Zimo you can't make it also slow fade in/out). Both a bit of a nightmare to utilise all the fancy options without a computer interface of some sort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kaput said: Zimo swiss mapping can do most of what ESU decoders can do function wise. ESU does have a little edge on some light modes (i.e. if you set a light to turn off when moving on Zimo you can't make it also slow fade in/out). Both a bit of a nightmare to utilise all the fancy options without a computer interface of some sort. Yeah that's exactly what I meant. There are things you can do with the ESU function mapping that the Zimo mapping doesn't allow for. Can't remember exactly what off the top of my head but when I had a Zimo decoder a couple of years ago I couldn't quite get it to do what I wanted. I think it involved a condition of another function being switched off or something. And yes, I used to program them manually and it was a ball ache so invested in a LokProgrammer. Edited January 27 by TomScrut 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmtree-line Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Livery Samples around May time ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere unless I’ve missed it but will the 175 be able to couple up together? So you could run a 4,5,6 car or just a 2 or 3 thinking about the tfw one cheers Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 18 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18 Yes, the couplers work between units so you can couple up 2 or 3 car 175s (or 5 car 180s!). cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravel Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Apologies if I’ve missed it somewhere, is there a date the order book will close? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted March 24 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 24 (edited) Hi there, We usually send out a newsletter to give a heads up when the order book is about to close. cheers Ben A. Edited March 24 by Revolution Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMS Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Any problem with the 175 00 EPs? We saw some impressive examples last December, but they are still being assessed. Sorry to sound impatient: put it down to enthusiasm and anticipation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn_Bach_Railway Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 8 minutes ago, IMS said: Any problem with the 175 00 EPs? We saw some impressive examples last December, but they are still being assessed. Sorry to sound impatient: put it down to enthusiasm and anticipation! Latest update from their video at Key Model World Live was that they are waiting on Deco samples I believe. https://fb.watch/rMk4MspNiP/?mibextid=KsPBc6 about 15-20 seconds in along with a KSA / rover cube update too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, IMS said: Any problem with the 175 00 EPs? We saw some impressive examples last December, but they are still being assessed. Sorry to sound impatient: put it down to enthusiasm and anticipation! Absolutely no problems with either the 175 or 180 OO models. The EP samples ran very well and we’ve fed back a few minor points to the factory for improvement, and as per my colleague Ben’s video at the weekend, we are waiting for the Deco samples. However, for the avoidance of any doubt, we have no fixed date as to when these will arrive. Cheers Mike B Edited April 30 by Revolution Mike B Typo 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMS Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Great!! Many thanks Mike, Ben for the video and Bryn-Bach… for the link. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melangoose Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 Very impressed with the Class 175 on display at the NEC. The Revolution chaps are doing a fantastic job. Can’t wait to see the decorated samples in due course. 2 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted May 23 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23 The Flying Hippo 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NXEA! Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 I’ve seen from comments elsewhere that it’s a matter of time for 175’s to be formally announced as off to GWR to replace the remaining HST’s and cascade IET’s back to mainline working, so another potential future livery option for Revolution! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted Wednesday at 02:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 02:59 On 23/05/2024 at 17:19, NXEA! said: I’ve seen from comments elsewhere that it’s a matter of time for 175’s to be formally announced as off to GWR to replace the remaining HST’s and cascade IET’s back to mainline working, so another potential future livery option for Revolution! No. They need to spend some months in the sun at Ely allowing the red pigment to leach out and fade before being vinyled green and silver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northerngirl Posted Thursday at 11:01 Share Posted Thursday at 11:01 How will the information screens on the 180s be done, they are so small i imagine lighting them will be difficult Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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