Wickham Green too Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, No Decorum said: ... I can sit back now and await lists of all the ones I’ve forgotten. Jinties and Panniers for a start! How about continuing the list with a Rapido loco .... ex Brighton E1 !!?! ( P & B4 classes were known to frequent the Kent Collieries at times, too.) Edited July 21, 2023 by Wickham Green too 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 21, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: How about continuing the list with a Rapido loco .... ex Brighton E1 !!?! ( P & B4 classes were known to frequent the Kent Collieries at times, too.) Yes, I'll be butchering one to keep my wagons company. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2023 How many wagons were in the NCB's internal user fleet? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Hundreds of thousands? I suppose many of them had started life as regular main-line PO wagons of the particular collieries to which they were later confined? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 21, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: I suppose many of them had started life as regular main-line PO wagons of the particular collieries to which they were later confined? Probably so, a lot of 16T minerals of different flavours followed on so I assume they were purchased from BR at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: ... I suppose many of them had started life as regular main-line PO wagons of the particular collieries to which they were later confined? Anything acquired in NCB days would have been from British Railways and would have been completely random ........ as such, a FEW might have ended up at their 'home' colliery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Probably so, a lot of 16T minerals of different flavours followed on so I assume they were purchased from BR at some point. 7 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Anything acquired in NCB days would have been from British Railways and would have been completely random ........ as such, a FEW might have ended up at their 'home' colliery. But I assume we are not looking at an NCB devoid of internal user wagons on 1 Jan 1947? PO coal wagons generally were requisitioned during the war but presumably that applied only to those registered with the railway companies, not to internal wagon fleets? The requisitioned wagons remained their owners' property up to nationalisation of the coal industry but were transferred to British Railways in due course by a mechanism that I think I've read about but can't recall... My point is, there would have been internal user wagons in use at collieries in the 1930s that were presumably still in use in the 1950s. I take the point that as those wagons became worn-out they would have been supplemented by wagons bough from British Railways. So my question can be refined as, what proportion of the NCB internal user fleet was made up of wagons that had already been internal users before 1939 and what proportion purchases from British Rail, as a function of time? And again, what were the absolute numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O. Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Don't forget these beauties from Triang Hornby... https://www.hattons.co.uk/85859/hornby_r102mineral_20t_mineral_wagon_in_ncb_black_3471/stockdetail 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Parker Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Steve O. said: Don't forget these beauties from Triang Hornby... https://www.hattons.co.uk/85859/hornby_r102mineral_20t_mineral_wagon_in_ncb_black_3471/stockdetail I'll see your Hornby wagon, and raise you: Lima HO! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 21, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: I'll see your Hornby wagon, and raise you: Lima HO! I'm going to start calling you Philistine. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O. Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, AY Mod said: I'm going to start calling you Philistine. 8 minutes ago, Phil Parker said: I'll see your Hornby wagon, and raise you: Lima HO! The yellow's nice! I have three of these grey ones, not sure which Cardiff colliery was home turf though! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 20/07/2023 at 10:39, AY Mod said: Thanks. No, it's one I drew up overlaying key locations and routes over an OS map. If you wish you can download the higher resolution version of it here - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kO4gPDOs_MMF2Z_YrD8aZ_pZh60IjhT9/view?usp=drive_link Thanks for that Andy, I’ll enjoy followingbtgat up on the old side by side maps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 21, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Thanks for that Andy, I’ll enjoy followingbtgat up on the old side by side maps. Generally, you may have to select different date maps to catch 'em all as they had different life spans. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunnan Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil Parker said: I'll see your Hornby wagon, and raise you: Lima HO! My eyes! That needs a health warning! 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JShow Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 First post from a loooong time lurker, prompted by the announcement of these wagons. Like GeoffBird, I was excited to see this commission but disappointed that the wagons aren’t available outside the UK. I was (and am still) ready to order the full set. Regardless of whether I can ultimately purchase these wagons, I congratulate Andy Y. for his suggesting NCB wagons for an RMWeb commission and thank him for his efforts, successful or not, in exploring whether they can be made available to those of us outside the UK. I do most of my modelling from an armchair, but things are slowly taking shape for an NCB plank layout. I had figured that Rapido would eventually dress one of their RCH 1907 wagons in an NCB livery—in a way, an obvious move—and was delighted to see these RMWeb exclusive wagons on offer. Even if I might not be able to get any, I’m really happy that others will. Jeff 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 9 hours ago, No Decorum said: I know what you’re getting at, Andy, but I doubt this area is niche any more, thanks to all the little industrial locos we have now. Absolutely! The Victory, Hunslet !8", Barclay 14", Barclay 16", Pecket W4, Pecket B2, the Austerity you mentioned and soon the Dapol Hawthorn Leslies. That’s not to mention the Janus, Class 14s and RR Sentinels of four- and six wheeled varieties. I can sit back now and await lists of all the ones I’ve forgotten. Jinties and Panniers for a start! I would only really add the Rapido 16" Hunslet, unless that was what you meant next to the Victory. Does the Hornby Ruston DS48 rank ? Then there is the Rapido ex GW 15xx which worked for the NCB as well as the Heljan 165hp Ruston an the class 11 which were two more industrial diesels. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Covkid said: ...Then there is the Rapido ex GW 15xx ... Pannier Tanks were on the original list ........... though no differentiation between variants ( yes, they all look the same ...... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Covkid said: I would only really add the Rapido 16" Hunslet, unless that was what you meant next to the Victory. Does the Hornby Ruston DS48 rank ? Then there is the Rapido ex GW 15xx which worked for the NCB as well as the Heljan 165hp Ruston an the class 11 which were two more industrial diesels. Oh bother! You’re right, of course: 16". 🤦♂️ I didn’t mention the DS48 as I suspected it wouldn’t have the guts to be much use. Perhaps someone is going to turn up saying, “I remember one…” 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 22, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2023 I've just been on the website to order 4 of the yellow wagons but I can't find them! Mike. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 On 21/07/2023 at 16:00, Phil Parker said: I'll see your Hornby wagon, and raise you: Lima HO! I have just cottoned on. Hornby produce the ideal loco to run with these. The Bagnall 0-4-0 diesel. It is just as much a work of fictioo as these wagons so a marriage made in heaven !!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium J. S. Bach Posted July 26, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2023 On 21/07/2023 at 13:33, JShow said: First post from a loooong time lurker, prompted by the announcement of these wagons. Like GeoffBird, I was excited to see this commission but disappointed that the wagons aren’t available outside the UK. I was (and am still) ready to order the full set. Regardless of whether I can ultimately purchase these wagons, I congratulate Andy Y. for his suggesting NCB wagons for an RMWeb commission and thank him for his efforts, successful or not, in exploring whether they can be made available to those of us outside the UK. ...snip... Jeff Same here, I just tried to order the 4-car set. Oh well, hopefully that may change down the road. Maybe after al of the UK orders are fulfilled and there are some left over. One can hope. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffBird Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 On 26/07/2023 at 16:50, J. S. Bach said: Same here, I just tried to order the 4-car set. Oh well, hopefully that may change down the road. Maybe after al of the UK orders are fulfilled and there are some left over. One can hope. I have given up on trying to order these from Rapido orr World of Railways. I have sent the latter numerous e-mails to which they do not reply. I have now found a better solution for us who live in the EU. Accurascale do two types of P7 NCB wagons in groups of three and I have ordered both; i.e. 6 wagons. This has several advantages - a) You get a 10% disscount for ordering two: b) you get free delivery and c) coming from Ireland (I assume) they come strayight through to me in Austria without any additional charges. Could not be better. I have not seen any mention of these in Accurascale Forum discussions and I dont know what the exact technical differences are - they are all black & white and labelled "NCB" so that will do for me. I await further discussion from the knowledgable contributors to this Forum! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 29, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2023 9 minutes ago, GeoffBird said: I have sent the latter numerous e-mails to which they do not reply I haven't seen sight of any, who have you emailed? I am still pestering for a solution for those who specifically want these. There's no point asking Rapido, the transaction has to be through our shop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted July 29, 2023 Author Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, GeoffBird said: they are all black & white and labelled "NCB" so that will do for me. I await further discussion from the knowledgable contributors to this Forum! I don't think the latter is worth expending time upon if you are happy with the former irrespective of whether they are the correct type of wagon for the area you are modelling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JShow Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 50 minutes ago, GeoffBird said: I have not seen any mention of these in Accurascale Forum discussions and I dont know what the exact technical differences are - they are all black & white and labelled "NCB" so that will do for me. I await further discussion from the knowledgable contributors to this Forum! These are NER 20T hoppers (which I also ordered when they were announced. ) There is a thread on the Accurascale Forum. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 1 hour ago, JShow said: These are NER 20T hoppers ... ... probably restricted to the North East - even in NCB days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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