RMweb Premium RapidoCorbs Posted May 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, RapidoCorbs said: Oh excellent! “Ashpan blackout cover” – that’s what that is! This looks to be shaping up well. I’m hoping for more conventional and durable pickups and a loco which is easy to get into for servicing. Repeat: excellent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted May 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3 I'm disappointed that the camo paint job was rejected.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 12 minutes ago, PeterStiles said: I'm disappointed that the camo paint job was rejected.... You'll have to buy a Kriegslok instead...... 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I can't imagine that camoflage working unless you're going to shed it in the zebra stables at the local zoo. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Such camo wasn't so much to hide the object. Designed instead to disrupt the outline, making ranging more difficult. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JShow Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Text on Rapido's website, accompanying the video: Intel has confirmed differences between S160 examples. Positive ID on 2 locomotives. Interrogative: What livery would you propose? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TrevorP1 Posted May 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 3 Message to Command. The front line is undertaking special familiarisation training. Innovative thinking is taking place to make fullest use of the new locomotive. Personnel understand that the task of Command is not an easy one. Nevertheless, they have full confidence in your devotion and skill to create a piece of equipment that will instil pride in its operation. The (model) world is watching. May the forth be with you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3 The liveries and versions have got to be announced on the 6th June surely, D -Day. 1 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 8 hours ago, PeterStiles said: I'm disappointed that the camo paint job was rejected.... Me too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 7 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: Such camo wasn't so much to hide the object. Designed instead to disrupt the outline, making ranging more difficult. Which worked fine against coincidence type range finders used by the British but not the stereoscopic types used by the Germans 😉 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 5 hours ago, gwrrob said: The liveries and versions have got to be announced on the 6th June surely, D -Day. The engine involved in the Soham explosion just a few days before D-Day was an Austerity 2-8-0, WD No 7337. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 One of the biggest problem the German railways faced from D-day onwards was from the air. No amount of camouflage is going to protect a moving train from a Typhoon or Thunderbolt, the exhaust gives it away, but a stationary loco night stand a chance. Of course, if you are on end of end of a attack on a marshalling yard, no camouflage will help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 The Luftwaffe & the RAF attacked marshalling yards, but there wasn't much logistical advantage from doing so, although of course if one hit an ammunition train or caused a looco boiler explosion it was spectular and the pilots felt they had done something useful. Whilst there was plenty of track to hit in a big yard, there were usually alternative routes in or out of it and anyway holes in the ground could easily be filled in, track relaid quite quickly using local labour and the damage was more of an inconvenience than the desired destruction of the enemy's supply chain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 11 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: ... a loco boiler explosion it was spectacular and the pilots felt they had done something useful. ... ... unless they ended up on the dirt as a consequence ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Attacking trains had a tactical value, but strategically it was better to destroy workshop facilities 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4 3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: The Luftwaffe & the RAF attacked marshalling yards, but there wasn't much logistical advantage from doing so, although of course if one hit an ammunition train or caused a looco boiler explosion it was spectular and the pilots felt they had done something useful. Whilst there was plenty of track to hit in a big yard, there were usually alternative routes in or out of it and anyway holes in the ground could easily be filled in, track relaid quite quickly using local labour and the damage was more of an inconvenience than the desired destruction of the enemy's supply chain. As recounted by Gerry Fiennes about an occasion when an RAF party visited Whitemoor to find out the best way of 'dealing with' a marshalling yard. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 4 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4 4 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said: Attacking trains had a tactical value, but strategically it was better to destroy workshop facilities Wasn't that what the Dambusters set out to do, by flooding and beggaring power supplies? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 40 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: Wasn't that what the Dambusters set out to do, by flooding and beggaring power supplies? It was arguably more of a propadanda victory. Apparently the dams were repaired and factory production resumed relatively quickly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Lots of the workers weren't repaired, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted May 4 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 4 2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Lots of the workers weren't repaired, though. ....... on both sides of the North Sea, and elsewhere, worldwide. Let's not get into judging the actions of our fathers' generation - it'll get messy! CJI. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Who's being judgmental ? ........... it's a fact that the factories would have been short of workers for a while - and we needn't discuss where replacements came from. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 04/05/2024 at 15:10, Oldddudders said: Wasn't that what the Dambusters set out to do, by flooding and beggaring power supplies? Best to read this https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=operation+chastise&crid=ZK5CEEP8D88Q&sprefix=operation+cha%2Caps%2C70&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_3_13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovbulleid Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 04/05/2024 at 10:30, PenrithBeacon said: Attacking trains had a tactical value, but strategically it was better to destroy workshop facilities The difference is more pre/post D-Day. Once the second front was opened, marooning a train of combat vehicles or troops was rightly of top priority- hence why railway lines, bridges and other infrastructure became such a maquis target 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 As we've drifted off topic for the S160's in recent posts - this might be a good place to post this image that I found in our Museum photo archive this morning, whilst actually looking for something else...... It is a 2-8-0, but one of the WD variety rather that a USA one and shows the sole example that was fitted with armour plating on the boiler and something I'd never seen a photo of before. It's not excactly a brilliant shot, but was taken by H.N.James, a resident of Ipswich since the early 1950's until his death in the 1990's and one of the photo collections we hold in our archive. He certainly took a number of photos at Longmoor during the war when he was based there, but where this image was taken I'm not sure. We may have details somewhere on our computer system, but he was someone who didn't make good records of where/when he took photos! 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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