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1 hour ago, meld said:

This Vehicle is in Sat-Link Red and Yellow livery.

Although it could be mistaken for weathered EWS Maroon and Gold. ( The 12T Pipe wagon creeping into the picture on the left is a weathered Sat-Link open ).

 

The Yellow Liveried Low-Macs may have been part of the BR Engineering group of vehicles used in BR Breakdown Train Units and not a Network Rail vehicle.

 

As ever Rule 1 is always in operation. 

 

 

 

Yes, I see that now I look closer. However this is what I received in the email from Hattons about that wagons:

 

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Hence why I thought one was an EWS one. I did think it looked like a SATLINK vehicle. Very distinctive livery. 

 

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On 25/08/2023 at 13:53, RapidoCorbs said:

The Loriot P? Very similar outwardly but lots of little differences such as axleboxes, buffers etc.

30ft over headstocks, 22ft wb and 16ft in well. 

Photos as https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/eff82e34  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e126731ac  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e68bf0471   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e6e56b3a9

 

On 25/08/2023 at 15:49, Fat Controller said:

Is this the design that was used for the 'Conflat ISO' conversions ?

Yes, there were 100 Conflat ISO from 1965ish. I have already suggested these to RapidoCorbs. 

Listed in on page 19

 

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Photos of the LNER Lowmacs that became EP in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlowmac

And for the LMS BR gave them the code MO (not sure why not MP but perhaps because that is an abbreviation already in use on railways) Quite a lot from 700700 in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial

 

This is the BR built ones https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowmacep The BR Diag 1/59 for the Conflat ISO is at the end of this collection. 

 

Plenty of ideas for loads in these photographs, although I do like the wheels as a very useful model for lineside as well as on these wagons. 

 

Paul

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On 30/08/2023 at 15:32, hmrspaul said:

30ft over headstocks, 22ft wb and 16ft in well. 

Photos as https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/eff82e34  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e126731ac  https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e68bf0471   https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrloriotlowmac/e6e56b3a9

 

Yes, there were 100 Conflat ISO from 1965ish. I have already suggested these to RapidoCorbs. 

Listed in on page 19

 

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Photos of the LNER Lowmacs that became EP in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlowmac

And for the LMS BR gave them the code MO (not sure why not MP but perhaps because that is an abbreviation already in use on railways) Quite a lot from 700700 in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial

 

This is the BR built ones https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowmacep The BR Diag 1/59 for the Conflat ISO is at the end of this collection. 

 

Plenty of ideas for loads in these photographs, although I do like the wheels as a very useful model for lineside as well as on these wagons. 

 

Paul

 

Thanks for clarifying Paul :)

 

On 30/08/2023 at 15:58, stewartingram said:

Just wondering if the wheels will be 16.5mm or P4?😀

We did have a conversation about this exact thing but the consensus was that if they were markedly wider apart than the wheels on the wagon it would make the OO 'issue' more obvious so opted for OO wheel spacing.

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Locomotion Models announced yesterday (07th) that No M700728 - preserved at Locomotion, Shildon - is an exclusive to their National Collection in Miniature range.

 

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Post now shows No M700728 iso No M70028 (which was copied from LOCOMOTION MODELS page).
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A heads-up to OO modellers - if you want to guarantee a pre-order for our upcoming LOWMAC wagon, get your order in before Monday 12th February.
This brand-new model comes in a variety of liveries covering LNER, LMS, BR service stock and engineers, including some seen in preservation.
Every wagon includes a load of 4 wheelsets with prototypical axle ends to be used as a load or a scenic item on your layout.
See more here:
https://rapidotrains.co.uk/lner-lms-25t-machine-wagon/

 

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11 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi,

Any news on loads for the wagons?

Thanks Fred

Hi Fred, how do you mean? Every wagon comes with 4 wheels as a load as it was felt to be the thing that was the least era-specific we could do.

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With a suitable adaptor frame, a 20' ISO container is a prototypical load. 

This thread contains a list of wagons converted and a few photos (though some were lost in the data crash):

Here are a couple on Manchester Docks loaded with Manchester Liners containers:

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And a better view of the supporting frame:

DE278503. Lowmac EP, Conflat ISO. [EBR13-23]

 

See also Paul Bartlett's galleries for alternative loads:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlowmacep

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerlowmac

 

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My take on the couplers from the pictures is that they are not the usual NEM pocket and won't take Kadee plug-ins (17-20 range). Is that the case? I do appreciate its a tight spot but would like confirmation. ( I think the 6w brake was similar IIRC)

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Chris

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9 minutes ago, Gilbert said:

My take on the couplers from the pictures is that they are not the usual NEM pocket and won't take Kadee plug-ins (17-20 range). Is that the case? I do appreciate its a tight spot but would like confirmation. ( I think the 6w brake was similar IIRC)

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Chris

 

They look like the NEM363 type that's becoming quite common on Rapido stock. Do wish they'd make a Kadee for it.

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11 hours ago, Gilbert said:

My take on the couplers from the pictures is that they are not the usual NEM pocket and won't take Kadee plug-ins (17-20 range). Is that the case? I do appreciate its a tight spot but would like confirmation. ( I think the 6w brake was similar IIRC)

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Chris

The usual NEM 362 pocket slides into the NEM 363 dovetail aperture. That will probably make even a #17 Kadee stick out too far, though.

 

One solution is to superglue the tails of whichever NEM Kadee comes out to your preferred length directly into the fitting. You may wish to reshape the ends slightly to optimise the fit. 

 

From the look of it, my "Plan A" will be to unscrew the fitting entirely and substitute a '#141 or #146 Kadee, as with the SECR brake van, though possibly in a #262 draft box on this occasion.

 

Fellow Kadee veterans may prefer a 30-series, which will be my (slightly fiddlier) backstop should "Plan A" prove too bulky. 

 

Collectors should note that all three solutions preclude the model being returned to "out of the box" condition.

 

John 

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29 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

I wondered what that sharp intake of breath was that I heard!

 

Mike.

Photos attached of SECR brake mods. Lowmac should be fairly similar. 

 

Nothing to stop anyone removing the new built-up mount and fitting a tension-lock, but originality is not restorable.

 

Coupling used is #141 in the #242 draft box it comes with. Brake yokes not yet refitted for clarity

 

John 

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14 hours ago, Kaput said:

 

They look like the NEM363 type that's becoming quite common on Rapido stock. Do wish they'd make a Kadee for it.

 

They are indeed, discussed on another thread with a short wheelbase wagon with restricted space for the coupling mount.

 

https://www.morop.org/images/NEM_register/NEM_E/nem363_en_2018.pdf

 

A perfectly valid NEM solution, seems it's a gap in Kadee's range more than anything else.

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On 08/12/2023 at 15:34, greatcoleswoodhalt said:

Locomotion Models announced yesterday (07th) that No M70028 - preserved at Locomotion, Shildon - is an exclusive to their National Collection in Miniature range.

 

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M700728 is a wagon the NRM acquired a long time ago. This is it in 1978, with an unusual load https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmspecial/e368fd48d

 

Paul

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