Edge Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 Apparently two people have had to be taken to hospital after an accident involving the Flying Scotsman at Aviemore https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66967170 Details are thin on the ground at the moment, it’s good to know that nobody has been badly hurt, but I (for one) also hope that no priceless machinery has been bent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2023 Its made a right mess of the bar…. Wine, whisky and beer all over the floor… and not just a couple of bottles.. maybe a hundred. I guess Royal Scotsmans guests are staying local tonight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MikeB Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2023 The Ntional reports that "A train crashed into a stationary carriage at Aviemore Railway Station at around 7pm on Friday. It is understood that one of the trains (sic) involved in the crash is the iconic Flying Scotsman." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) Photos here, its on the connecting line from Strathspey to NR, during the loco change on the Royal Scotsman set https://www.northern-times.co.uk/news/world-famous-flying-scotsman-involved-in-collision-on-highla-328150/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66967170 this working from Edinburgh.. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18979/2023-09-29/detailed The Royal Scotsman is scheduled to be overnighting at Strathspey tonight, and supposed to continue tomorrow as this.. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C18969/2023-09-30/detailed Tonights Caledonian Sleeper to London was delayed starting from Inverness, and 1 northbound to Inverness delayed an hour as Emergency services took over Aviemore station. Edited September 29, 2023 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) From the top photo on the BBC link it looks more like a rough shunt when buffering up to the stock, rather than a crash or collision, media over-sensationalisation perhaps? Edited September 29, 2023 by cessna152towser 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, cessna152towser said: From the top photo on the BBC link it looks more like a rough shunt when buffering up to the stock, rather than a crash or collision, media over-sensationalisation perhaps? 2 hospitalized, 3 treated at the scene. This is quite a serious incident, even if the damage is limited. I dont recall that many people being injured in any railway incident that didnt attract a considerable investigation. Photos on facebook (with various media requesting permission to use, so inevitably will be published), show the Bar has collapsed, all the catering equipment fallen over. Bottles of Whisky, Gin and dozens of bottles of wine 2-3 feet deep from the carriage floor…. i suspect the alcohol bill will be higher than the repair bill. Edited September 29, 2023 by adb968008 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) Pictures in the public domain on twitter now.. Twitter url links… uncoupled from the stock, note bufferhead removed on the observation coach. Edited September 29, 2023 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2023 So this is my favourite tweet ive seen so far… Quote Flying Scotsman crash: Beloved steam train is hit by another carriage on heritage railway Those evil carriages, they are so jealous. 3 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) Strathspey have confirmed no services running this weekend. Quote On Friday 29th September at 18:15, a shunting incident occurred when Flying Scotsman was being coupled with Belmond’s Royal Scotsman train carriages, which were stationary in Aviemore Platform 3. Emergency services attended the site to provide assistance. Two people have attended hospital and been discharged, with others being treated at the scene. Appropriate authorities were notified immediately, and we are co-operating with their investigations. Due to the ongoing investigations, unfortunately we are not able to operate any trains on Saturday or Sunday. Thank you for your understanding. This weekends services are subsequently cancelled. Please contact our office who will process refunds (enquiries@strathspeyrailway.co.uk) Strathspey facebook page Edited September 29, 2023 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Must have been on a diet as it seems to have lost about 60 tons in weight! Tenders do count. 154 tons for an A3 in steam. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Looks like most bars after a Diesel Gala lol 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 It's not good for incidents like this to occur. you don't need much speed to seriously injure people in a train, just a couple of miles per hour if they are standing. The Strathspey staff seemed very professional whenever I have been there, like every summer for about 30 years, but something went wrong. Was it Strathspey staff. Usually with the 2MT or Jumbo they squeeze up the buffers without moving the first coach at all, barely a shudder. I would have expected a buck eye to be deployed on the coach when coupling to a corridor tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trestrol Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) It shows yet again how poorly catering equipment is fixed in modern rolling stock conversions. The former LNER carriage that was in the Royal Scotsman set suffered the same fate. Inferior materials chipboard and MDF used for partition walls and kitchen units just screwed to the floor. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt in there. Edited September 30, 2023 by Trestrol 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, Trestrol said: It shows yet again how poorly catering equipment is fixed in modern rolling stock conversions. The former LNER carriage that was in the Royal Scotsman set suffered the same fate. Inferior materials chipboard and MDF used for partition walls and kitchen units just screwed to the floor. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt in there. Yup. It would be interesting to see where the persons were injured? Buried by Bottles perhaps? Certainly looks like storage needs to be reviewed. It is unfortunate of course. I seem to remember seeing the following on the Minehead Branch. A visiting reversing Tender Engine had to stop a Yard short of the stock under Platform supervision and then ease up. I'm not sure if that wasn't following a heavy shunt incident? I didn't really consider it at the time and couldn't say if it was the adopted practice of that Railway for all Engines or just Tender Engines or whatever. Let's hope all is well in this case and that all involved are safe and well now. P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 Liked the comment on the Bebb from Network rail……. Not on our property………. Or not our problem. Keith 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, KeithHC said: Liked the comment on the Bebb from Network rail……. Not on our property………. Or not our problem. Keith "Not our circus, not our monkeys" 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 55 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Yup. It would be interesting to see where the persons were injured? Buried by Bottles perhaps? Certainly looks like storage needs to be reviewed. It is unfortunate of course. I seem to remember seeing the following on the Minehead Branch. A visiting reversing Tender Engine had to stop a Yard short of the stock under Platform supervision and then ease up. I'm not sure if that wasn't following a heavy shunt incident? I didn't really consider it at the time and couldn't say if it was the adopted practice of that Railway for all Engines or just Tender Engines or whatever. Let's hope all is well in this case and that all involved are safe and well now. P Stop short and close up is standard railway practice, though with most main-line trains now being multiple units, it happens much less often than it once did.... 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Trestrol said: It shows yet again how poorly catering equipment is fixed in modern rolling stock conversions. The former LNER carriage that was in the Royal Scotsman set suffered the same fate. Inferior materials chipboard and MDF used for partition walls and kitchen units just screwed to the floor. Luckily nobody was seriously hurt in there. So true, my other half (some say better half) used to run for several yrs the buffet cars on the same railway myself and adb968008 worked on and has said after seeing these posts that simply screwing or bolting equipment in place seems OK but it's all in the ability to withstand shock. Would be interesting to see more pics of other inside fittings that may have come off. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2023 It’s interesting that this collision took place when coupling to the veranda car. I wonder whether the driver misjudged the position of the end of the stabled coaches by observing the end of the car body. it would have been almost dark at the time as well. I recall that there may be a historical precedent in previous rear end collisions involving freightliner trains when the rear flat wagons were empty and therefore more difficult to see. 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) Unsurprisingly 1H80 Aviemore to Kyle of Lochalsh is canceled… A lot of millionaires seeing their week long jolly unfold. I wonder if they stayed on board or were “evacuated by rescuers” ? Given all the drama, and undoubtably Americans I wonder if the lawyers have started private jetting in to check on the survivability and long term health of their clients. Edited September 30, 2023 by adb968008 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 Looking at the Alcohol photos, I have identified the following victims amongst the wine…. 1x Hennessey 3x Veuve Cliquot 1x unidentifed whisky 1x Bacardi 1x Gordans Gin 1x Stolichnaya 1x Grey Goose its possible a Glenfiddich took a tumble, but we need rescuers to reach the scene of devastation. 1 2 1 2 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, coronach said: It’s interesting that this collision took place when coupling to the veranda car. I wonder whether the driver misjudged the position of the end of the stabled coaches by observing the end of the car body. it would have been almost dark at the time as well. I recall that there may be a historical precedent in previous rear end collisions involving freightliner trains when the rear flat wagons were empty and therefore more difficult to see. Wouldnt someone be on the track to guide the drawing on though ?i probably best not speculate. Edited September 30, 2023 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, adb968008 said: Unsurprisingly 1H80 Aviemore to Kyle of Lochalsh is canceled… Latest update on Strathspey Facebook page says Royal Scotsman stock being moved to depot for inspection, freeing up the platform so that they will be able to run trains with the Ivatt 2-6-0 later in the day. Updated again at 1:15pm they are not running today after all. Edited September 30, 2023 by cessna152towser updated 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Looking at the Alcohol photos, I have identified the following victims amongst the wine…. 1x Hennessey 3x Veuve Cliquot 1x unidentifed whisky 1x Bacardi 1x Gordans Gin 1x Stolichnaya 1x Grey Goose its possible a Glenfiddich took a tumble, but we need rescuers to reach the scene of devastation. why is the rum gone? looking at twitter and some of the headlines on MSM you’d think Ladbroke Grove mk2 had just happened! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 30, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, big jim said: looking at twitter and some of the headlines on MSM you’d think Ladbroke Grove mk2 had just happened! The ghastly event at Ladbroke Grove happened before everyone had a smartphone and Internet access on the hoof. Any event these days is a major drama on social media. 1 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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