royaloak Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) I can state that the SWT 450s have one piece discs after having a guided tour underneath one from end to end a few years ago, I asked how the inside discs were changed ans was told that one wheel had to be drifted off the axle. Seems like a lot of work just to change discs but he said that the wheels normally wore out and needed changing before the discs (good old regen doing most of the braking) which were then changed at the same time as the wheels. Edited April 29, 2013 by royaloak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs4 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Very handy Royal Oak. Thanks for the confirm. I will reorder I think - I'm no rivet counter but I don't really want to get this wrong now.... Regards Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWT442 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 (edited) If it's of use, attached are a couple of shots from underneath a Desiro. These were taken from a 444 at the Siemens open day at Northam last year, but the bogies/wheelsets are the same. I may have to get a set of the Colin Craig discs as well, got a 350 I've been meaning to weather up, so a set of discs will be a nice touch! Andy. Edited May 1, 2013 by SWT442 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs4 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 That is a very useful picture Andy Thing to decide on now is whether I fit internal discs too. It may be possible if the wheel sets pull apart as normal. Will check later on and advise.... Regards Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs4 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Non-powered wheels, no problem, they will just pull apart: Powered bogie might represent a problem: Question is........ how much of the inner wheel surface will be visible and is it worth doing ? The discs are probably too small and don't have the right drill pattern. I think I'll do a set with the outer faces only to start with - even if the pattern isn't correct it's gonna look better anyway Regards Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Bachmann website shows Desiro 350101 out of stock at Bachmann so someone is buying them! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Who saw that SWT Class 450 on Model Rail's stand at Warley. A custom repaint by Dave Lowry I believe, but maybe a teaser for a future limited edition?????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted November 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2013 I was delighted to see it and when I asked at the stand I was told that there would be two exclusive Model Rail versions with different destinations/numbers coming out. It had been agreed with Bachmann. Good news 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 23, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2013 Who saw that SWT Class 450 on Model Rail's stand at Warley. A custom repaint by Dave Lowry I believe, but maybe a teaser for a future limited edition?????? yes that was rather nice, externally are 350s identical to 450s (bar the pantograph) i.e. windows in the same place etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I was delighted to see it and when I asked at the stand I was told that there would be two exclusive Model Rail versions with different destinations/numbers coming out. It had been agreed with Bachmann. Good news Actually I was aware of that when I posted but wanted someone else to give the definitive answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 yes that was rather nice, externally are 350s identical to 450s (bar the pantograph) i.e. windows in the same place etc The first batch of 350/1 units were part of a cancelled order for five car 450s. To all intents and purposes they are the same as the 450s with the addition of a pantograph and 25kV underfloor module. Seating and interior furnishings would be different as they would have been done to Silverlink specifications when they took over the order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrostar Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 That's brilliant news, put me down for both. It's interesting that Bachmann have decided against selling it themselves. I wonder if they've looked at sales of the slam-door third-rail stock and the 350s and decided producing it as a third party commission is a risk worth taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 I wonder if they've looked at sales of the slam-door third-rail stock and the 350s and decided producing it as a third party commission is a risk worth taking. I thought the whole point with commissions, is that there is almost no risk for the manufacturer? The commissioning party takes on all or most of the risk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 It will be interesting to see the price asked for the MR specials since I have already converted a cut-price class 350/1 to a 450 using Electra Railway Graphics overlays. Without counting the cost of my labour (it was a labour of love!!!), I paid £119 for the unit, plus postage to Australia but minus VAT, and around £30 or so for the ERG vinyls. If MR come up with a price of less than £150 I would gladly buy one. If it is dearer, I would look to go down the route I have already followed if I wanted a second unit. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted November 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2013 The 450 vinyls have proved very popular in both OO and N, so ModelRail should be onto a winner with their RTR version. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrostar Posted November 24, 2013 Share Posted November 24, 2013 Ron Ron Ron, I meant Bachmann considered the risk and realised it wasn't going to lose a lot of sales if it allowed Model Rail the commission rather than releasing a 450 to the open market and keeping all profits for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Electrostar, on 24 Nov 2013 - 15:33, said: ...keeping all profits for itself. Bachmann probably do a bit better per unit on a commission than on a mainstream release as it has a guaranteed market for the entire production batch and a single point of sale/return for that batch. The cash flow situation is also presumably better as well, as there would likely be staged payments from the commissioning party throughout the process whereas with a normal release the entire cost of production is on the manufacturer right up until they start taking money for orders from retailers (who also have a mark up on these remember...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Now on Model Rail's Facebook Page-: The most popular item in our display case this weekend was this SWT Class 450 Desiro resprayed by Dave Lowery for a forthcoming article in Model Rail. We're in negotiations with Bachmann to commission a 'OO' limited edition for 2014. Who wants one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I did notice this too, although it's not in my modelling area I've commuted on these for a while now I would certainly take one. But considering there is 127 of them in the South West Trains Fleet, the response by Bachmann does somewhat surprise me - SWT models are rather popular down this way, indeed having shared it via Facebook I now know of at least 7 friends who would also take one too so Model Rail better be ready for producing a fair number of them. Bachmann say they have no plans to do it, so a limited edition commission is the only way we're going to get one as things stand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I hope MR are able to get a good price from Bachmann for it, as thats the biggest hurdle at the moment (Well said by MR staff on Sunday) Also mentioned that drawed most people over to the stand as well. Although prefer LM i would be tempted to get one, if the price is right. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
82C Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 A South West Trains 450 (or two, if their in different unit numbers) for me please! I might even be tempted to buy one of the London Midland 350/1s to compliment it. As London Midland sub leased some units to Southern for their Milton Keynes to East Croydon services, the two units would have met each other around Clapham Junction. 82C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 A South West Trains 450 (or two, if their in different unit numbers) for me please! I might even be tempted to buy one of the London Midland 350/1s to compliment it. As London Midland sub leased some units to Southern for their Milton Keynes to East Croydon services, the two units would have met each other around Clapham Junction. 82C And you've got the option of a visiting London Midland 350 to Northam Depot as well, which could even give you a reason for a Network Rail 57/3. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traksy Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 About time. We have a severe modern EMU undersupply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_l_jones Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) IMHO I would be very surprised if the tooling is completely dedicated to MR commissions, but you never know. Excuse my ignorance but are there many liveries this could be produced in ? Edited November 27, 2013 by martin_l_jones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uzair Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 About time. We have a severe modern EMU undersupply. Too true. A Bachmann SWT 450 would be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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