Shedmaster Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Could be interesting if the Loco has a 'broken back' as suggested.............imagine the sinking feeling of seeing that thing crash land ! Cranes fascinate me in a way because like gypsies, you never see them arrive or leave afterwards...........they just simply appear / disappear ! Hope it's just a case of dented pride and nothing else for the staff involved.......... Regards, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 Bet it was one hell of a bang though! Reports from my own grapevine suggest that '012 penetrated the hold decking into the bilge area and due to the extent of damage to the loco, it will be returning to Erie for 'component recovery' As always, this info is subject to confirmation. Dave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningduck Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Bet it was one hell of a bang though! Reports from my own grapevine suggest that '012 penetrated the hold decking into the bilge area and due to the extent of damage to the loco, it will be returning to Erie for 'component recovery' As always, this info is subject to confirmation. Dave. Working only from the information in this thread: If theres a grain cargo beneath the locos (a few locos do not fill a Handymax ship) then the loco cannot have penetrated the bilge. From the above quote: Whilst it may not have damaged the bilge of the vessel, it may have damaged the tween deck (inbeTWEEN the hold cover and floor) which the locos would have been secured to in transit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2011 If it had been the Royal Mail, they would have just roughly shoved all the bits into a clear plastic bag, stuck a pre printed 'apologetic' note on it and delivered it anyway! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tankerman Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 Working only from the information in this thread: If theres a grain cargo beneath the locos (a few locos do not fill a Handymax ship) then the loco cannot have penetrated the bilge. From the above quote: Whilst it may not have damaged the bilge of the vessel, it may have damaged the tween deck (inbeTWEEN the hold cover and floor) which the locos would have been secured to in transit. Beluga Endurance is not a Handymax ship, which would be around 28,000 deadweight tons. She was built in China in 2004, and is 9,611 gross tons & 12,714 deadweight tons. The latter is the relevant tonnage as it refers to the actual weight in tons that the ship can carry, less the weight of any fuel, ships stores, spare parts etc. She does not have a tween deck, it would be a very rare modern ship that did have one. The company she is owned by specialises in 'project' cargos and it is unlikely that she would have any other cargo than the Class 70's on board. She has 2 x 120 ton cranes and is specially designed for heavy unit cargo, normally called 'project' cargo, which means that her tank tops, i.e. bottom of the hold, can withstand heavy point loadings such as a locomotive. She is also built to FA Ice Class 1A which is probably why she was used to ship the locos out of Canada in mid winter. If, as is likely, the slings slipped or broke at one end of the locomotive, the kinetic energy generated by one end, and possibly the other, of the locomotive falling 30 feet would be enough to penetrate the tank top, but not enough to put the ship in any danger. On a lighter note, the one thing that is certain is that anyone in the hold at the time would have suffered an involuntary bowel movement . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cunningduck Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Apologies, I didn't realise it was a specialist vessel, I'll go back to the ashes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tankerman Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 Apologies, I didn't realise it was a specialist vessel, I'll go back to the ashes! Hi Cunnungduck, No need for ashes, in fact please accept my apologies. I wrote the post when I got in last night. I've just re-read it and it doesn't half sound "I know it all". As Bridget Jones would say "Memo to self; don't answer posts after visiting your neighbour and helping him sample the bottle of malt whisky he was given for Christmas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 That would never have happend if they had rolled them out from the Falcon Works in Loughborough..... Chris. Let's not go there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Singpoint Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 70012 has been dropped (and to use my sources direct quote BIG STYLE) whilst unloading at the docks today How long before this joins the layout cliche list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shedliner Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Whatever broke, 70012 dropped about 13ft. Has brokwn axles and bent frame. Sounds fatal but no gen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big T Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It makes me think - have any other locos ever been damaged badly before entering service? I am sure that it will go back and be stripped with all usable parts removed for err... re-use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 It makes me think - have any other locos ever been damaged badly before entering service? One of my Drivers collided a brand new HST set, arriving on its delivery trip from works, with an extremely substantial stopblock (railbuilt but surrounded with built-into it stonework - basically a block of stone and concrete in structural terms) which resulted in the entire set having to be lifted to check for damage and the damage that was found then to be repaired at main works. Nothing scrapped but not a cheap job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallows Close Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I am sure that it will go back and be stripped with all usable parts removed for err... re-use! Lets hope the recovered parts don't go in to 70013....... Cheers, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2011 Whatever broke, 70012 dropped about 13ft. Has brokwn axles and bent frame. Sounds fatal but no gen yet. Quote from Freightliner engineer who saw it happen. "It's f*@&£d" Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Lets hope the recovered parts don't go in to 70013....... What's 70013 in Polski ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 What's 70013 in Polski ? bijtsa (or it soon will be) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold papagolfjuliet Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2011 It makes me think - have any other locos ever been damaged badly before entering service? One of the bogies of the first 'Leader' was badly damaged while on test at Brighton Works as a result of the works manager ordering that it be thrown into reverse at full speed. The damage was repaired, but it was never the same again and this is one of the main reasons why 'Leader' was initially so unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37176 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm currently (and very slowly) working my way through this thread and the 50+ page thread on WNXX to compile all sighting and workings of the class so far for a fleet history. I wish there was a more detailed record of the early workings of the 37's so I figured I'd start one for 70's from new. Keep posting your gen here and it'll go in the archive. GE's are hell. You wouldn't catch me doing this for GM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2011 If's it's going to be scraped, why ship the whole thing back to Eire? Why not just scrape it over here then send the reusable parts back in a container or 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It makes me think - have any other locos ever been damaged badly before entering service? There's quite a few examples of brand new locos that were lost at sea - the divable Thistlegorm with it's 8Fs are probably the best known example (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jbardo/4232635714/). There was a cracking article in Railway Magazine documenting a lot of wrecks a little while back. Pix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsOatcake Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 If 70013 is destined for Poland it will unlikely to be numbered 70013. It will more likely carry the european numbering system than a uk TOPS system number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdseyecircus Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Now on http://www.wnxx.com/ Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Exclusive - Crane driver training at Newport Docks! http://www.break.com...m-crane-1925194 Xerces Fobe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Country Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 If 70013 is destined for Poland it will unlikely to be numbered 70013. It will more likely carry the european numbering system than a uk TOPS system number It can still carry the tops number as part of the UIC number to be identifiable on both systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 It makes me think - have any other locos ever been damaged badly before entering service? I believe EMD ran a 59 off the end of the London ON test track which delayed it's delivery for a couple of months, have a feeling they pulled the same trick with a 66 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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