Popular Post Waverley West Posted May 23, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Hi folks, Not much has been happening at Waverley West these past few weeks. The weather has been fantastic recently, as it often is in May here, and I've been outside making the most of it. I did manage an operating session at the weekend though, so I thought I'd post a few piccies... The driver of 27052 waits time at Platform 14 with a service for Dundee... 45144 wheels a special past Haymarket MPD... And later at Waverley... 47642 at speed... In other news, work is under way on several Bachmann Large Logo 47s, so I've been mired in an underworld of battery compartments, water tanks (or not), boiler ports (or not) and headcode panels (or not) recently. What a minefield modelling 47s is! More on those to follow later, but needless to say the emphasis is on the Scottish variants. Cheers for now,Dave Edited May 23, 2017 by Waverley West 31 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcyg Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I genuinely get excited when this thread pops up on the new stuff list 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grampus Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Dave, What a wonderful picture of 47642 - possibly your best yet? There is absolutely nothing to give it away as a model. It certainly made me smile and brought back a few memories. It was one of the very last 47s I required for sight and, living in the South of England, it evaded me for years, leaving an annoying gap in my 'locoshed'. I only caught up with it in latter years at the Bo'ness and Kinneil after it had retired to preservation and I was working near Aberdeen. Waverley West never fails to impress: more of the same, please. Best wishes, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 More great pics Dave. Apologies if I missed it but how did you do the damaged roof covering on that Mk.2? Did you use Maskol? Cheers, Martyn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Dave, What a wonderful picture of 47642 - possibly your best yet? There is absolutely nothing to give it away as a model. It certainly made me smile and brought back a few memories. It was one of the very last 47s I required for sight and, living in the South of England, it evaded me for years, leaving an annoying gap in my 'locoshed'. I only caught up with it in latter years at the Bo'ness and Kinneil after it had retired to preservation and I was working near Aberdeen. Waverley West never fails to impress: more of the same, please. Best wishes, Paul Dave, What a wonderful picture of 47642 - possibly your best yet? There is absolutely nothing to give it away as a model. It certainly made me smile and brought back a few memories. It was one of the very last 47s I required for sight and, living in the South of England, it evaded me for years, leaving an annoying gap in my 'locoshed'. I only caught up with it in latter years at the Bo'ness and Kinneil after it had retired to preservation and I was working near Aberdeen. Waverley West never fails to impress: more of the same, please. Best wishes, Paul It's 47643 at boness, unless of 642 visited there at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grampus Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 LOL - so it is! TVM - Nostalgia ain't what it used to be... :-) However, I required both '642 and '643 for the same reason, so I was close! In any event, still an awesome photograph. Best wishes, P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Hi folks, A few photos from this afternoon's operating session, which saw newly released Petroleum 47190 on the oil train. Modelling time has been at a premium recently, so not much progress has been made, but at least 47190 has been completed and put into service. 47190 1b.jpg 47190 1.jpg 47190 at speed 1a.jpg 47190 at speed 1c.jpg 47555 arriving on a service from Inverness... 47555 4.jpg 47555 1.jpg Meanwhile, 60009 was waiting to leave on another railtour... 60009 1.jpg 60009 1b.jpg Some other miscellaneous shots.... Mk 2 1a.jpg Mk 2 1.jpg Mk 2 2.jpg A TEA from the oil train rake... TEA 1.jpg Finally, a shot from around 1990 of a rake of TEA tankers behind 47190 passing Haymarket... 47190 2 BW.jpg 47190 1b BW.jpg I have still to decide on my next project. A Large Logo 47, 47563 Women's Guild in its late 1980s Inverness guise, is the most likely. Watch this space. Cheers for now, Dave Hi Dave Some brilliant modelling, on one of your photos of A4 60009 the only item that confirmed it was actually a model to me was the springside lamp laying on the platform, First time I saw the photo I had to look two or three times as I really thought it was the A4 itself. Really great stuff. Regards David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted July 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 1, 2017 Hi folks, Not much has been happening at Waverley West these past few weeks. The weather has been fantastic recently, as it often is in May here, and I've been outside making the most of it. In other news, work is under way on several Bachmann Large Logo 47s, so I've been mired in an underworld of battery compartments, water tanks (or not), boiler ports (or not) and headcode panels (or not) recently. What a minefield modelling 47s is! More on those to follow later, but needless to say the emphasis is on the Scottish variants. Cheers for now, Dave Hi Dave, Hope all is well - you seem to have been quiet recently! I missing the updates on WW!! On a serious note, a mate was asking me the other day how the RTR Class 47s from Bachmann and Hornby compare, and whether they need much work doing to them, to make them accurate. Not currently being a 4mm modeller, and very out of touch with the OO gauge scene, I thought it might be a question you could answer, then as I find the thread and look to make sure I've not missed anything, I remembered your doing some work on your 47 fleet at the moment! Can you answer the above question? Also, do you mind if I ask what your actually doing to them - is it scratch building additions or etched brass items? Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Hi Dave, Hope all is well - you seem to have been quiet recently! I missing the updates on WW!! On a serious note, a mate was asking me the other day how the RTR Class 47s from Bachmann and Hornby compare, and whether they need much work doing to them, to make them accurate. Not currently being a 4mm modeller, and very out of touch with the OO gauge scene, I thought it might be a question you could answer, then as I find the thread and look to make sure I've not missed anything, I remembered your doing some work on your 47 fleet at the moment! Can you answer the above question? Also, do you mind if I ask what your actually doing to them - is it scratch building additions or etched brass items? Rich Hi Rich, I have been quiet recently for various reasons. Once the summer arrives, I like to spend as much time outside as possible whenever the weather is decent. And life's been getting in the way too. However, I have been beavering away on a few projects when I've had the time. I've been working on some Large Logo Bachmann 47s. I'm guessing you mean how do the Bachmann and Heljan 47s compare, as the old Hornby 47 doesn't really live up to modern standards? I'm a fan of both the Bachmann and the Heljan offering to be honest and my Heljan 47s have been the mainstay of my fleet for many years, being solid and smooth performers and mostly looking the part. The big issue with the Heljan 47s is the width of course but with a uniform fleet of Heljan 47s I never really noticed it to be honest. However, I've been buying quite a few Bachmann 47s recently and I must admit I am now noticing the width issue more, although I do run the Bachmann and Heljan versions side by side without too much jarring. I think my view now is that I prefer the Bachmann version. I think it captures the look of the 47 from more angles than the Heljan one. There are a few relatively minor issues, such as the cab door window size. The footsteps on the cab front are also oversized but that's fairly simple to fix. I also reduce the size of the headcode dots on the front panels using Fox Transfers too, as the ones on one end of the Bachmann 47 in particular look pretty oversized to me. I find I have to do much less to the Bachmann ones though to make a decent looking loco, in my case being those front footsteps and removal of the cab roof aerial, although obviously that's an era issue, not an accuracy one. The Heljan versions didn't need to much doing to them either but I did think they needed replacement roof grill etches as well. The biggest drawback with the Bachmann ones is a slight tendency to derail because of the fixed centre axle. I'm going to try Peter's (PCM) suggestion of filing down the centre wheel housing on the bogie block to see if that makes a difference. It isn't a major problem but the Bachmann ones do derail noticeably more often than the Heljan version, which has a floating centre axle which can even cope with my track without any problem. Here are some piccies of two Bachmann 47s recently released from the Waverley West Works, Inverness-based 47517 complete with blue roof and 47641 in Eastfield condition... First up is 47517 Andrew Carnegie. This is a partial respray from the Bachmann LL 47 with its underframe tanks replaced for the correct type using Heljan ones. ...and 47641 Fife Region. This loco has also had its underframe tanks replaced with Heljan versions of the correct type. Otherwise, it hasn't had too much done to it apart from renumbering. The front footsteps have been reduced in size and a few other minor titivations and removal of the cab aerial really. Unfortunately, the latter does entail respraying of the roof, but that's a fairly simple job. Also recently emerged from the works are Inverness-based 47563, Eastfield's 47636 and bog standard Large Logo 47459 (Bescot-based at the time I'm modelling if I remember rightly), which I've seen working Fife services in the 80s. So I've probably gone overboard with the Large Logo 47s recently, but at least I now have a decent fleet. Hope to be back soon with some pics of the other LL 47s. Also just released from the works are two more Class 26s which have had new sugar cube speakers and sound chips fitted. I have now sold all of my old SWD class 26 sound chips, which have given me good service over the years, and replaced them with legomanbiffo versions and better speakers. Next on the bench will probably be some ScotRail and InterCity 47s plus another Coal Sector 26. And I really must get round to doing some more detailing of the inside of the depot sheds! Oh, and a Dapol Class 122 has recently arrived too, so that may well move up the queue. Plenty to do! Cheers for now, Dave Edited July 12, 2017 by Waverley West 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwordsmith Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Interesting point out the Bacchy vs Heljan Dave. I acquired a 47 from my good friend the Mallard which looks cracking, but has a tendency to slip off on large radius fine scale points. It's not a great fan of medium radius ones either TBH, and I had it on my list to spend a long time working on the geometry. I couldn't understand why a simple six wheel bogie should be so light footed, especially as a 'Cock o'the North' rumbles over the same points without a flinch, and now I know. Always have to double check when I visit Waverley West act you've not slipped in a 12" to the foot pic, because it is just so damn lifelike! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted July 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2017 I think my view now is that I prefer the Bachmann version. I think it captures the look of the 47 from more angles than the Heljan one. There are a few relatively minor issues, such as the cab door window size. The footsteps on the cab front are also oversized but that's fairly simple to fix. I also reduce the size of the headcode dots on the front panels using Fox Transfers too, as the ones on one end of the Bachmann 47 in particular look pretty oversized to me. I find I have to do much less to the Bachmann ones though to make a decent looking loco, in my case being those front footsteps and removal of the cab roof aerial, although obviously that's an era issue, not an accuracy one. The Heljan versions didn't need to much doing to them either but I did think they needed replacement roof grill etches as well. The biggest drawback with the Bachmann ones is a slight tendency to derail because of the fixed centre axle. I'm going to try Peter's (PCM) suggestion of filing down the centre wheel housing on the bogie block to see if that makes a difference. It isn't a major problem but the Bachmann ones do derail noticeably more often than the Heljan version, which has a floating centre axle which can even cope with my track without any problem. Cheers for now, Dave Hi Dave, Thanks for the reply and the detailed answer. Sounds like Bachmann have got things pretty much spot on then! I'll pass the info back to my mate. Those 47s looks superb. Does the blue bodyside colour come slightly into the grills on the first one? Always have to double check when I visit Waverley West act you've not slipped in a 12" to the foot pic, because it is just so damn lifelike! Totally agree with that comment!! I think Dave fools us on occasions and drops a real image in because we'll never notice! Rich 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi Dave, Nice work on the 47s. Don't blame you for being outside, you are getting some nice weather over there at the moment. Cheers Peter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Does the blue bodyside colour come slightly into the grills on the first one? Rich Thanks Rich. The roof is actually completely blue. It's just grubby! If you look at a lot of photos of loco body sides, the grime often seems to extend down to around half way down the grills or so. I guess that the dividing line was as far as the washers could reach. See here for example: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0147024705000 Dave Edited July 12, 2017 by Waverley West 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted July 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2017 Thanks Rich. The roof is actually completely blue. It's just grubby! If you look at a lot of photos of loco body sides, the grime often seems to extend down to around half way down the grills or so. I guess that the dividing line was as far as the washers could reach. See here for example: http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0147024705000 Dave Ah! Didn't think of that! Well spotted .. what a great example to model, something different! Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Hi Dave, From that last you have been busy. Very nice work on the LL 47's and superb weathering. All the best Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted July 16, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2017 Hi folks, Here as promised are a few pics of the latest addition to the WW fleet - humdrum Large Logo 47459. As most of my Large Logo fleet consists of Scottish-based named examples, I thought it was about time I did an anonymous non-Scottish 47. As I've seen some footage of Bescot-based 47459 working on Fife services, this seemed a good loco to choose. Here she is passing Haymarket MPD on her way to Waverley from Dundee with a rake of six ScotRail Mk 1s. That looks like an inspection saloon waiting at the signals on the far left. She later worked back to Dundee on the return working... Work has now started on a Dapol Class 122. So far the unit has been test-run and the roof ribs have been removed. Masking and respraying of the roof and painting of the floor to hide the elevated base to the interior are next on the list. Cheers for now, Dave 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted July 16, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2017 And finally for now, a quickie of 47517 arriving from Aberdeen... 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2017 Absolutely fantastic Dave,keep them coming I take it the is a window that floods your layout with sunlight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Honestly thought that first shot of 47459 was real. Fantastic modelling as always. One of my favourite layouts. Nik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Waverley West Posted July 17, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Absolutely fantastic Dave,keep them coming I take it the is a window that floods your layout with sunlight? Thanks russ. Yes, there's a fairly large window on the western wall of the railway room which I had enlarged. This lights up Waverley in the summer evenings and Haymarket in the winter afternoons. There's also a door on the NW corner, which shines light in the summer evenings onto the tunnel entrances in late June through to early August. There are also some Veluxes. I wanted more of these but apparently the roof structure wouldn't have taken it! Here are a couple of overall shots of the railway room... Cheers Dave Edited July 17, 2017 by Waverley West 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted July 17, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2017 Yes , really these shots of the 47 on the Dundee train could easily be real. Fantastic modelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted July 17, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2017 oh oh, I have room envy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) oh oh, I have room envy. This is what it was like 5 1/2 years ago when we first arrived here, with the layout still to have its protective cages removed. Since then it's been insulated, plastered, centrally heated, had new windows and a new door fitted and a new carpet (which I'm doing a pretty good job of ruining with solder, glue, etc. etc.) to make a pretty decent railway room. It was crazily expensive to heat using electric heaters and often either too cold or too hot in the early days, but now it's comfortable just about year-round, including all through the winter thanks to the central heating. Oh what a difference that made. It even copes pretty well with the relentless heat of a Cumbrian summer too. As the room measures 6 x 5m, I'd probably have made WW a bit larger had I started the layout in this room, but at least I have some good-sized fiddle yards instead. The only downside to the room is that I have to go outside to get to it, which in the middle of winter when it's pouring down is a bit of a pain, especially if I'm carrying locos or rolling stock, but I really should not complain I know! Cheers Dave Edited July 17, 2017 by Waverley West 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 This is what it was like 5 1/2 years ago when we first arrived here, with the layout still to have its protective cages removed. Since then it's been insulated, plastered, centrally heated, had new windows and a new door fitted and a new carpet (which I'm doing a pretty good job of ruining with solder, glue, etc. etc.) to make a pretty decent railway room. It was crazily expensive to heat using electric heaters and often either too cold or too hot in the early days, but now it's comfortable just about year-round, including all through the winter thanks to the central heating. Oh what a difference that made. It even copes pretty well with the relentless heat of a Cumbrian summer too. As the room measures 6 x 5m, I'd probably have made WW a bit larger had I started the layout in this room, but at least I have some good-sized fiddle yards instead. The only downside to the room is that I have to go outside to get to it, which in the middle of winter when it's pouring down is a bit of a pain, especially if I'm carrying locos or rolling stock, but I really should not complain I know! Railway room 0.jpg Cheers Dave Carlsberg dont make railway rooms ... but if they did .... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 37418 passes through Waverley with a Speedlink service... 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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