Michael Hodgson Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 1 hour ago, PieGuyRob said: Looking at the only photo for essentially a £600 item, either I need a new pair of glasses, the only photo is fuzzy, or, does it appear to anyone else that the image appears computer generated? DOubt it is computer generated, more cropped from a bigger view - looks like a library image that they've found somewhere, perhaps an old manufacturer's catalouge. I can't say I think it's worth anyting like that price - perhaps I'm biased because I don't care for spam cans, but maybe somebody else will. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: DOubt it is computer generated, more cropped from a bigger view - looks like a library image that they've found somewhere, perhaps an old manufacturer's catalouge. I can't say I think it's worth anyting like that price - perhaps I'm biased because I don't care for spam cans, but maybe somebody else will. It's the way the two colours looked on the locomotive, it looked like dodgy computer generated imagery. Even on the Hornby website it doesn't look right to my eyes. Anyway, the hungry graham, class 102 has come down in price. It was £129.99 earlier today. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2022 13 hours ago, Esmedune said: They make it sound like it was sculpted by gods and painted by angels... In my eye, there are a few ill fitting seams and the amount of paint on the front buffer is unreal! Sure the lining is top draw, but still not worth the money...https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DJH-kit-built-Merchant-Navy-Class-LOCO-4-6-2-Portescap-RG4-motor-Goddard-painted-/115399032411 Looks to me as though something nasty has happened to the front end and someone has bodged a repair and paint job. Larry paints his vac pipes dark grey-see the tender. I doubt Larry would turn out any buffer-beam like this. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted May 27, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 27, 2022 I did paint jobs like that when I was a child; it looks v much as if the buffer beams are not the work of the same person who painted the rest of the loco. Slightly suspect bottom seam lh side of tender, but for that price I’d want perfection. And glazed cab windows. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Johnster said: Slightly suspect bottom I'm told there are creams?? 🤒 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul H Vigor said: I'm told there are creams?? 🤒 Sitting gingerly, I expect..... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted May 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2022 Shame someone sat on it… Cheers Darius 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Darius43 said: Shame someone sat on it… Cheers Darius But wants £80 for a fixer-upper... 🙄 Looking at the seller's other items, I'd say everything is "aggressively priced" but not in the usual sense we would use the phrase! 💰 Steve S 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, Darius43 said: Shame someone sat on it… Cheers Darius Or decided to see how far they could throw it? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, Darius43 said: Shame someone sat on it… Cheers Darius At £69.95, I think it £60 too dear. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: Shame someone sat on it… Cheers Darius "... a little TLC"?? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted May 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, Paul H Vigor said: "... a little TLC"?? To Landfill, Clearly? 2 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Prove it. Could be an empty box for all we know. Cheers Darius PS perhaps Sigraham is a distant relative of Graham Famished… Edited May 29, 2022 by Darius43 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Darius43 said: Prove it. Could be an empty box for all we know. Cheers Darius PS perhaps Sigraham is a distant relative of Graham Famished… Ah...Mr Cartmel again........competition for Mr Studebaker! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Possibly a pile of crumbling Mazac in a box? Who knows the secret of the Graham Farish Box? 😉😀 🐉🙋🏼♀️ 1 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Ruffnut Thorston said: Possibly a pile of crumbling Mazac in a box? Who knows the secret of the Graham Farish Box? 😉😀 🐉🙋🏼♀️ L@@k RARE!!! A Graham Schrodinger Farish box! 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hroth said: L@@k RARE!!! A Graham Schrodinger Farish box! I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Schrodinger’s Cat!! Meanwhile, we have another “guess the state of the contents” from the following seller … https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334400247087?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=mSmU9kiJQ1S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Don’t take this at face value … read the description first - carefully … My reading from the description is that the seller has seen the contents (or else how could they be specific about an internal part of the model) but at the same time is deeply reluctant to let a potential buyer see it … One has to wonder why? Quickly followed by how much?! I’ve found other items by the same seller graded as C but their definition of such says - “Seal broken & Considerable box damage. (Products with this grade are in poor condition and it's likely that there is damage to the internal components or components missing. However, our assessment only goes as far as the box, so it is possible that the internal components are still in good condition if the product is strong or not easily broken (e.g LEGO bricks).” The section I have highlighted in bold is patently false as they often tell you that something doesn’t run etc. Yet they still simply post a stock image of whatever item they are flogging sorry selling. Appears to be a proper shop, too! Steve S 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Rowsley17D Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, SteveyDee68 said: I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Schrodinger’s Cat!! Meanwhile, we have another “guess the state of the contents” from the following seller … https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334400247087?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=mSmU9kiJQ1S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Don’t take this at face value … read the description first - carefully … My reading from the description is that the seller has seen the contents (or else how could they be specific about an internal part of the model) but at the same time is deeply reluctant to let a potential buyer see it … One has to wonder why? Quickly followed by how much?! I’ve found other items by the same seller graded as C but their definition of such says - “Seal broken & Considerable box damage. (Products with this grade are in poor condition and it's likely that there is damage to the internal components or components missing. However, our assessment only goes as far as the box, so it is possible that the internal components are still in good condition if the product is strong or not easily broken (e.g LEGO bricks).” The section I have highlighted in bold is patently false as they often tell you that something doesn’t run etc. Yet they still simply post a stock image of whatever item they are flogging sorry selling. Appears to be a proper shop, too! Steve S I have a barge pole somewhere that I am not about to use. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SteveyDee68 said: I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Schrodinger’s Cat!! Meanwhile, we have another “guess the state of the contents” from the following seller … https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334400247087?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=mSmU9kiJQ1S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Don’t take this at face value … read the description first - carefully … My reading from the description is that the seller has seen the contents (or else how could they be specific about an internal part of the model) but at the same time is deeply reluctant to let a potential buyer see it … One has to wonder why? Quickly followed by how much?! From the listing Quote Damage: Missing Drive Shaft Eh? I was trying to work out which part of a MN would incorporate a "drive shaft", you usually find them in diesels, transferring the power from a centrally mounted motor to the bogies. I've come to the conclusion that it means that the connecting rod or perhaps coupling rod on one side has come off. And Condition: New... Methinks Jadlam are following the Rails route and employing trainees to describe s/h models.... Definitely bargepole territory! Edited May 29, 2022 by Hroth 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 2 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Schrodinger’s Cat!! Meanwhile, we have another “guess the state of the contents” from the following seller … https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334400247087?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=mSmU9kiJQ1S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Don’t take this at face value … read the description first - carefully … My reading from the description is that the seller has seen the contents (or else how could they be specific about an internal part of the model) but at the same time is deeply reluctant to let a potential buyer see it … One has to wonder why? Quickly followed by how much?! I’ve found other items by the same seller graded as C but their definition of such says - “Seal broken & Considerable box damage. (Products with this grade are in poor condition and it's likely that there is damage to the internal components or components missing. However, our assessment only goes as far as the box, so it is possible that the internal components are still in good condition if the product is strong or not easily broken (e.g LEGO bricks).” The section I have highlighted in bold is patently false as they often tell you that something doesn’t run etc. Yet they still simply post a stock image of whatever item they are flogging sorry selling. Appears to be a proper shop, too! Steve S I like the way they're not able to check condition of any components or take any specific photos for you - Sorry, but if the difference between making a £144 sale and not doing was taking a couple of phone snaps, I would. Unless of course I was trying to hide something. Rather like those live auctions where some boxes contain £500 power tools and the rest bits of house clearance tat. Either they're trying to get around the eBay rules for returning duff items or genuinely trying to take customers roughly from behind with a frosty mop... You decide. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Darius43 said: Prove it. Could be an empty box for all we know. Cheers Darius PS perhaps Sigraham is a distant relative of Graham Famished… 3 hours ago, Ruffnut Thorston said: Possibly a pile of crumbling Mazac in a box? Who knows the secret of the Graham Farish Box? 😉😀 🐉🙋🏼♀️ He's got 100% feedback over 9000+ sale, so I think it's a bit harsh to infer fraudulent practice. Personally I regard a photo of only the very old box as a pig in a poke, but I think that's just down to very bad salesmanship on his part rather than ouright dishonesty. Whilst I've no idea whether his price is fair for one of those in good condition, that's a pretty good return on an original investment of 94 shillings! 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael Hodgson said: He's got 100% feedback over 9000+ sale, so I think it's a bit harsh to infer fraudulent practice. I think its more an excuse to make some (dodgy) jokes. I'll concede that my effort certainly fits into the category! As for the lot, the listing has over 10 days to run, so the box picture may well be a placeholder for content pictures to eventually appear. The supposition that it might be a quickly thrown together listing is aided by the title. What IS a SIGRAHAM? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: I was thinking the EXACT same thing about Schrodinger’s Cat!! Meanwhile, we have another “guess the state of the contents” from the following seller … https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334400247087?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=mSmU9kiJQ1S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=e--l92_9TXi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Don’t take this at face value … read the description first - carefully … My reading from the description is that the seller has seen the contents (or else how could they be specific about an internal part of the model) but at the same time is deeply reluctant to let a potential buyer see it … One has to wonder why? Quickly followed by how much?! I’ve found other items by the same seller graded as C but their definition of such says - “Seal broken & Considerable box damage. (Products with this grade are in poor condition and it's likely that there is damage to the internal components or components missing. However, our assessment only goes as far as the box, so it is possible that the internal components are still in good condition if the product is strong or not easily broken (e.g LEGO bricks).” The section I have highlighted in bold is patently false as they often tell you that something doesn’t run etc. Yet they still simply post a stock image of whatever item they are flogging sorry selling. Appears to be a proper shop, too! Steve S 3 hours ago, Hroth said: From the listing Eh? I was trying to work out which part of a MN would incorporate a "drive shaft", you usually find them in diesels, transferring the power from a centrally mounted motor to the bogies. I've come to the conclusion that it means that the connecting rod or perhaps coupling rod on one side has come off. And Condition: New... Methinks Jadlam are following the Rails route and employing trainees to describe s/h models.... Definitely bargepole territory! I agree with both of these comments. I was struggling with where the drive shaft is on a steam locomotive. Unless they mean that part of the motor is missing. They then contradict themselves in their own description. How do they know a drive shaft is missing if they haven't opened the box? Definitely a Schrodinger's cat situation! I personally have had no problems with this retailer. I bought a scalextric set off them for my brothers birthday. Though I purchased it off their shop's website, not Ebay. I think they are based in Somerset. Edited May 29, 2022 by PieGuyRob Got confused with a ship 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: Whilst I've no idea whether his price is fair for one of those in good condition, that's a pretty good return on an original investment of 94 shillings! Price of 112.50 seems over the top in my opinion. I owned one of these when I was young, sold it in the 1980s. Nostalgia made me buy a replacement only a few years ago. At that time there were several on eBay. The one which I chose was not the cheapest, but was boxed mint and lived up to its description as a good runner, and indeed continues to do so. At the time I paid 40 pounds which was much more than the purchase and resale price of my original. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted May 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2022 Am I missing something here? A hundred and forty sheets PLUS postage for a chassis? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-N-gauge-6Pin-Class-37-locomotive-chassis-/265702269509?nma=true&si=aX75vbTmxMdDz5I3ToxJ6LpXCq4%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 You can get the whole loco for the same price and maybe even less!!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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