emt_911 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Coming along nicely Mike. The finished article will look stunning. Like the light relief. Duncan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 Continued... Here is one of the back of the Bothy from the other side The front view AND NOW FOR SOMETHING SILLY!!!!! Brush Type 4 D1733 in experimental Blue Livery passes through Dent with a Freightliner load for the Southampton These old Freightliner wagons look okay at a distance This sets the scene as at least 1964! The Freightliner sorms into Widdale tunnel That's is guys Over and out, going for my tea! 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Lovely Mike, thanks for some great shots and for the Tutorial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbyandbf3fan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The building is coming along great and as always, nice to see more pics with trains running on the layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ray H Posted October 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2014 I don't count rivets but on an operational point, how did the loco of the cattle train get where it is? The train looks too long for the lye-by siding and the loco should have been the other side of the turnout.That bothy is brilliant (and so is the rest of the layout)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Very early good morning Mike, I don't think I really have to answer the question under the last pic. in post #1450! The diesel might be easier but it hasn't got the soul! Like the others, I'm going to have to concentrate more on your earlier building tutorials - very accomplished modelling and truly inspirational, thank you and kind regards, Jock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 I don't count rivets but on an operational point, how did the loco of the cattle train get where it is? The train looks too long for the lye-by siding and the loco should have been the other side of the turnout. That bothy is brilliant (and so is the rest of the layout)! Hi Ray, It reversed in from the platform end turnout. I presume that would be allowed if required but willing to learn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 13, 2014 Author Share Posted October 13, 2014 Very early good morning Mike, I don't think I really have to answer the question under the last pic. in post #1450! The diesel might be easier but it hasn't got the soul! Like the others, I'm going to have to concentrate more on your earlier building tutorials - very accomplished modelling and truly inspirational, thank you and kind regards, Jock. Very early good morning! That's positively nauseating, I mean what is that 00: bit anyway I can put you down for 'Clan' duties then ma' wee Ayrshire pal! (Ayrshire was on Antiques Roadtrip tonight!) Thanks for the comments Jock. How are you keeping? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emt_911 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Very early good morning! That's positively nauseating, I mean what is that 00: bit anyway I can put you down for 'Clan' duties then ma' wee Ayrshire pal! (Ayrshire was on Antiques Roadtrip tonight!) Thanks for the comments Jock. How are you keeping? Oh my god it's early :jester: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Good evening Mike, Bit earlier than the last one! Going along day by day thanks mate, blood tests today for my next oncology appointment on Thursday, after which I may know more! I'm hoping to get booked for another scan soon as that will confirm that the 'nasties' are being contained for the time being. I've actually travelled on the footplate of a 'Clan' a couple of times, I remember thinking how complex the controls seemed after a 2P or more so, a Caley 2F 0-6-0 and also the comfort in comparison! Breathtaking images of the full length trains Mike - wish I had the space, funding and above all, fitness to attempt anything like your achievement! Keep those pictures coming and oh, by the way Andy will be on soon looking for some more grass - suspect your going to soon run out of room for any more HaHaHa. Kind regards, Jock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Good evening Mike, Bit earlier than the last one! Going along day by day thanks mate, blood tests today for my next oncology appointment on Thursday, after which I may know more! I'm hoping to get booked for another scan soon as that will confirm that the 'nasties' are being contained for the time being. I've actually travelled on the footplate of a 'Clan' a couple of times, I remember thinking how complex the controls seemed after a 2P or more so, a Caley 2F 0-6-0 and also the comfort in comparison! Breathtaking images of the full length trains Mike - wish I had the space, funding and above all, fitness to attempt anything like your achievement! Keep those pictures coming and oh, by the way Andy will be on soon looking for some more grass - suspect your going to soon run out of room for any more HaHaHa. Kind regards, Jock. Don't worry Jock, I have plenty of grass in reserve. Hope all goes well on Thursday and the forthcoming scan indeed proves favourable. All the best mate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Aye Gooood Luck on Thursday Jock, and as for Grass, I'm more than happy just to have images of long trains traversing the greenery in an orderly fashion. How about double heading a Jubilee and Black 5 next? Edited October 14, 2014 by Andrew P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Aye Gooood Luck on Thursday Jock, and as for Grass, I'm more than happy just to have images of long trains traversing the greenery in an orderly fashion. How about double heading a Jubilee and Black 5 next? Oh we're fed up with grass now eh! I've got a ton of the stuff in just for you Andy and now you tell me you would be happy with long trains, why do I bother? As for the request take your pick: 45562 45596 45600 45629 45690 44666 44999 45156 45157 45253 And in which order? See I'm a pus*y cat really. Edited to correct a common English language phrase....AGAIN! Edited October 14, 2014 by mike61680 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PeterBB Posted October 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2014 You can tell Andy's getting better because he keeps putting 'bits on' other forums. From my angle the step by step with photographs information on building was great. Cheers, Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Oh we're fed up with grass now eh! I've got a ton of the stuff in just for you Andy and now you tell me you would be happy with long trains, why do I bother? As for the request take your pick: 45562 Holbeck ever-present 45596 Edge Hill(!) 45600 Patricroft(!) 45629 Trafford Park / Crewe 45690 Bristol(!) 44666 Saltley 44999 Perth(!) 45156 St Rollox / Newton Heath 45157 St Rollox 45253 Kentish Town / Nottingham / Saltley And in which order? See I'm a pus*y cat really. Edited to correct a common English language phrase....AGAIN! Bit short of northern Midland Division machines there Mike! Spot of renumbering / naming called for, methinks (mind you, be a bit of a field day for the local spotters). I recommend checking out the Kingmoor 457xx Jubs, some cracking battleship names to go at. How about 45157 piloting 45562? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Bit short of northern Midland Division machines there Mike! Spot of renumbering / naming called for, methinks (mind you, be a bit of a field day for the local spotters). I recommend checking out the Kingmoor 457xx Jubs, some cracking battleship names to go at. How about 45157 piloting 45562? I see your point BUT: 45562 was an obvious choice and the 2nd bought was a donor for 45600 45596 is an old model due for upgrading 45629 was my first ever loco' spotted and was shedded at Carlisle 45600 was chosen for my 'Bermuda Road' MPD layout 45690 is an old model due for upgrading also As for the Black 5's 45156/57 are again special to me as a Glaswegian with Ayrshire family connections and I worked at St.Rollox Works NOT 65B but.... The others will at some point be changed as will most stock to something I have pictorial evidence of. I know my 9F's will definately be changed to 92085 and 92125 at some point. Its just time that's the problem. 45562 * 09/09/50 28/03/64 1st 20A Leeds Holbeck 45562 28/03/64 03/12/66 w/e 55C Farnley Junction 45562 03/12/66 04/11/67 55A Leeds Holbeck 45562 04/11/67 W/DN 45596 * 09/09/50 28/07/62 1st 25B Huddersfield 45596 28/07/62 13/08/66 w/e 9B Stockport Edgeley 45596 13/08/66 W/DN 45600 * 09/09/50 02/01/65 1st 10C Patricroft 45600 02/01/65 03/01/66 w/e 9D Newton Heath 45600 03/01/66 W/DN 45629 * 09/09/50 01/12/56 1st 9E Trafford Park 45629 01/12/56 14/06/58 9A Longsight 45629 14/06/58 05/05/62 5A Crewe North 45629 05/05/62 22/06/63 w/e 24L Carnforth 45629 22/06/63 19/06/65 w/e 12A Kingmoor 45629 19/06/65 W/DN 45690 * 09/09/50 21/03/64 1st 22A Bristol Barrow Road 45690 21/03/64 W/DN 44666 13/08/49 NEW 44666 09/09/50 02/10/65 1st 21A Saltley 44666 02/10/65 20/08/66 w/e 2A Tyseley 44666 20/08/66 25/02/67 w/e 8A Edge Hill 44666 25/02/67 W/DN 44999 09/09/50 25/07/94 1st 63A Perth 44999 25/07/94 24/09/66 67F Stranraer 44999 24/09/66 W/DN 45156 * 09/09/50 20/04/57 1st 65B St. Rollox 45156 20/04/57 22/12/62 26A Newton Heath 45156 22/12/62 18/05/63 w/e 26C Bolton 45156 18/05/63 22/06/63 w/e 8B Dallam 45156 22/06/63 11/05/68 w/e 8A Edge Hill 45156 11/05/68 06/07/68 w/e 9H Patricroft 45156 06/07/68 07/09/68 w/e 10F Rose Grove 45156 07/09/68 W/DN 45157 * 09/09/50 19/01/63 1st 65B St. Rollox 45157 19/01/63 W/DN 45253 09/09/50 30/11/57 1st 14B Kentish Town 45253 30/11/57 21/11/59 16A Nottingham 45253 21/11/59 13/10/62 w/e 21A Saltley 45253 13/10/62 09/03/63 w/e 17A Derby 45253 09/03/63 16/03/63 w/e 21A Saltley 45253 16/03/63 21/12/63 w/e 15C Leicester Midland 45253 21/12/63 15/02/64 w/e 16C Derby 45253 15/02/64 12/09/64 w/e 16D Nottingham 45253 12/09/64 24/07/65 w/e 16F Burton 45253 24/07/65 06/01/68 w/e 12A Kingmoor 45253 06/01/68 20/04/68 w/e 9F Heaton Mersey 45253 20/04/68 W/DN The above allocations are in excel form and may not show properly but we'll have a go! EDITED TO SORT Edited October 14, 2014 by mike61680 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Indeed - one can get too fastidious, rule 1 and all that. And I just 'dashed off' a reply based on the allocations on the Xpress Publishing book. They only go to 1960, up to which point allocations were fairly stable. Thereafter, with the onset of dieselisation, locos wandered around a lot more (as your far more comprehensive listing shows) so I can see how some of yours are legit for the 1960's transition era, which looks to be more the period you're after depicting. I have some of my mothballed LMR stock numbered ready for my 'one day' project based on Carlisle, so I have 45713 'Renown' (68A), 46109 'Royal Engineer' (20A) and 45013 (68A). Trouble is, the first two are original 1980's Palitoy products so will probably need replacing anyway when the time comes! Ah well... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Looks like some nice stock there mate, cant wait to see a convoy on classic Steam power, and some grass hahaha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Indeed - one can get too fastidious, rule 1 and all that. And I just 'dashed off' a reply based on the allocations on the Xpress Publishing book. They only go to 1960, up to which point allocations were fairly stable. Thereafter, with the onset of dieselisation, locos wandered around a lot more (as your far more comprehensive listing shows) so I can see how some of yours are legit for the 1960's transition era, which looks to be more the period you're after depicting. I have some of my mothballed LMR stock numbered ready for my 'one day' project based on Carlisle, so I have 45713 'Renown' (68A), 46109 'Royal Engineer' (20A) and 45013 (68A). Trouble is, the first two are original 1980's Palitoy products so will probably need replacing anyway when the time comes! Ah well... Here are the full 1948-1968 listings for your loco's above.. Will be edited to correct Excel tabulation 45013 09/09/50 08/09/51 1st 5B Crewe South 45013 08/09/51 19/04/52 68A Kingmoor 45013 19/04/52 06/09/52 65F Grangemouth 45013 06/09/52 06/01/68 68A Kingmoor 45013 06/01/68 18/05/68 w/e 9B Stockport Edgeley 45013 18/05/68 W/DN 45713* 09/09/50 21/07/62 1st 68A Kingmoor 45713 21/07/62 03/11/62 w/e 27A Bank Hall 45713 03/11/62 W/DN 46109 * 09/09/50 16/09/61 1st 20A Leeds Holbeck 46109 16/09/61 23/06/62 w/e 56F Low Moor 46109 23/06/62 12/01/63 w/e 55A Leeds Holbeck 46109 12/01/63 W/DN Hope it helps. Edited October 15, 2014 by mike61680 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hi all, Going back a week or two I was asked who provided the backscene for my friend Allan's layout 'Melwood'. Surprise surprise he remembered! The link is: www.art-printers.com Hope it helps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Morning Mike, just lately at shows I have been looking at backscenes, now on some layouts a photographic back scene looks right, mainly because it depicts the area being modeled, where as on others it looks totally ridiculous. Withe Dent you have the opportunity to portray and actual prototype back scene, and that can only enhance a really wonderful layout even more. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock67B Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Morning Mike, Although we didn't have any Jubilees allocated to Hurlford 67B, we did have plenty that visit the respected engineering facilities offered there. My avatar if you blow it up shows me, with brother and sister, on the footplate of 45707 Valiant in the repair sidings in c. 1953/4. I also remember 45666 Cornwallis was repaired there and images exist of it with centre drivers removed. I believe they suffered from main frame cracks around the horn-blocks in much the same way as the black 5s did. Many of those were welded or plated by the Hurlford engineers which is why I bought the GBL £8.99 version - I thought that, although it isn't the most accurate model, with re-numbering and lots of weathering, it could be used as a cameo in the shed sans drivers with bits lying on the floor alongside! We had other visitors for similar repairs such as Princesses, Duchesses and 9Fs. Even the Crosti visited several times while under test on the Nith valley line from Dumfries - it just fitted on the 67B turntable! Goodness, how the mind runs away with the right trigger for the memory, but obviously both the Jubes mentioned above would have run through Dent to get to us! Kind regards, Jock. Edited to re-spell 'Crosti' as spell checker had it as 'Crostini'! Edited October 15, 2014 by Jock67B 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted October 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2014 I would say that with Dent, the fell behind the railway is all the backscene that you need; any other added behind it, be it painted or photographic, would detract from the scene. Most viewers will be concentrating on the railway and what is running on it with the fell being in the peripheral view and as such, serving the purpose of a backscene perfectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Afternoon Mike, Jason is right, your layout is quite high and so with the hills behind just a Blue / White Sky would suffice adequately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
67A Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Hi Guys, Just a mention on the backscene, I have taken a panoramic view of the fells around Dent itself and having driven around the spot I know the fells rise significantly just driving up the Coal Road so my intention is to forward the photos to 'Art-Printers' for them to stitch them into a panoramic scene, bonus is, there is still no new housing estate or such to worry about! I doubt the overall height would be more than 4 or 5 inches at the highest point and the rest will be sky. What do you think of that guys? Edit to add: I feel the addition of a backscene will just add a touch of depth instead of the sort of edge of the world situation I have at the moment. Edited October 15, 2014 by mike61680 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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