Smiffy2 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Feb 19 Mallard March 5th Coronation March 19th Flying Scotsman April 2nd 28xx April 16th Schools April 30th 9F May 14th Deltic May 28th Black 5 June 11th City of Truro June 25th LNER K3 July 9th West Country July 23rd Fowler 3F August 6th Castle August 20th LMS 1000 September 3rd 4MT Tank September 17th Locomotion substitute (unknown, may be King) October 1st Peak October 15th Butler Henderson October 29th 45xx November 12th T9 After that, nothing has yet been revealed. Last time! Edited August 23, 2014 by Smiffy2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted August 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2014 Photos of one in bits. I haven't removed every part as it's not worth disturbing the glue on them yet. The tender. The body is a single piece with a few detail parts stuck to it, such as the filler cap. Underside of the boiler. The footsteps are separate parts, one is glued to the motion. Inside the cab are three parts, I've removed one of them. Time to get bashing! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Beat me to it, Nile! I've just stripped down one of mine, haven't taken the splashers off yet. I've cut the centre part of the footplate moulding off between the driving wheels, looks like enough room for a working chassis to fit. The moulded frames under the front of the footplate can probably stay there. All in all the mouldings look precise enough, better than the castle body, but then from a rather more recent source perhaps. One of my 4 had a black tender back as in an earlier posting, but finish is otherwise good on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Another thought, because the splashers come off so neatly, this could be a bit of a bonus with small wheeled 7F. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I still have to decide what to do with my two. First thoughts were to take all the better bits and make a display example (for later motorisation - famous last words!) The rest will then make a motorised example in early BR livery (unlined black - lazy?) possibly 'BRITISH RAILWAYS'. This model is far in advance of the two 'compounds' I have already (TTR and KMR if you must know). (I'd like a Hornby 0 gauge one, but Grifone funds don't run to it.....) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 The comparison locos (990 Class) were also Class 4s. The Class 3s were the just slightly earlier "Belpaires" with the rectangular side panel of varying sizes over the rear splasher. All the potential Midland 4-4-0 variations had similar boiler diameter, the big difference is that only the Compounds and the 2Ps had the raised footplate over the drivers, the rest had a straight footplate and that would entail quite a bit of work. Alternative options might be shallow frame Compounds (drum smokebox) or the non-superheater version. You have four chimney and (I think) two dome options to play with too, plus Tups*rse or pop safety valves. Good luck and please post on your progress. Thanks Tren, it was the 990 class (990-999) that I was thinking of, so class 4 like the compound. I believe that they were built for hilly routes, specifically the S and C. The 3Ps (700-799) sound like they could be worth some research. Somewhere in my pile of books on the SDJR I think I read that the 900 type had been tried on that line, but didn't stay. Compounds were run there as well I think. Have to find an appropriately numbered one that ran there. (Deeley or Fowler?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted August 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2014 The comparison locos (990 Class) were also Class 4s. The Class 3s were the just slightly earlier "Belpaires" with the rectangular side panel of varying sizes over the rear splasher. All the potential Midland 4-4-0 variations had similar boiler diameter, the big difference is that only the Compounds and the 2Ps had the raised footplate over the drivers, the rest had a straight footplate and that would entail quite a bit of work. Alternative options might be shallow frame Compounds (drum smokebox) or the non-superheater version. You have four chimney and (I think) two dome options to play with too, plus Tups*rse or pop safety valves. Good luck and please post on your progress. I had a dash around Chelmsford hoping to buy 3 compounds to convert into a 990 class, a Belpair and a non superheated Class 2. Sad to say the 2 in Smifffs had been sold and there was only one in ASDA. Another abandoned project , thankfully with no cost this time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Thanks for reminding me about the class 3 440s a couple languished at my local shed Saltley for a couple of years after nationalisation...now still got the comet compound chassis, albeit in need of new break gear. A handy mashima motor...a markits gear box I have just got to run sweetly after a number of years in my spares. Plenty of plasticard....wasn't I doing something else? Oh yes a high footplate Caprotti. This project stalled last week shredded part of the high level gears. My fault not the product, thankfully Chris at high level has replaced the gear. (Excellent products and after sales service.....usual disclaimer)I will be using this for another project. So many locos to model so little time...or funds.....now where have I left the toffee to test the new class 3 chassis? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Sorry for dimly lit pic, but here's what it looks like with the centre of the footplate part cut away, also the pillar for the attachment screw has been cut off. Re compounds on the SDJR. In Peter Smith's book Footplate over the Mendips compound 1046 is mentioned as being allocated to the SDJR during the second world war, and other compounds very occasionally working over the line. Also in 1924 compound 1065 was tried between Bath and Bournemouth on 230 ton trains but didn't pull so well at slow speed as hoped. 990 class 995 was tried in 1925 and did better with a 230 ton train but didn't fit onto the Bath turntable otherwise all 10 990s could have been transferred to the S&D. (Presumably the compound wouldn't either but perhaps by ww2 the turntables were larger). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted August 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 23, 2014 I've noticed on both my compounds small amounts of a non-volatile liquid (oil?), between the larger parts such as boiler, cab, chassis , splashers. Anybody else noticed this, and have any idea what it is? I haven't seen it on any of the previous models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emperordalek Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Not really bothered, I'm just looking for something cheap to model the Macbeth Peak with.... EDIT: (D14, it's unlucky to mention its TOPS number...). May i enquire why? Is this the one that was storred derelict at Toton well into mid-90s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 I've noticed on both my compounds small amounts of a non-volatile liquid (oil?), between the larger parts such as boiler, cab, chassis , splashers. Anybody else noticed this, and have any idea what it is? I haven't seen it on any of the previous models. Someone used too much glue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowtim Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Skiffs in Camborne had 2 compounds this afternoon but both had poorly fitted parts,footsteps and cylinders amongst others so I left them there,one tender had steps on one side sticking out at 45 degree angle and black lines on the bufferbeam.. looks like they come apart easily though so may go back for one to fettle!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 On the top of the boiler (on all of my 4) is a rather strange moulding line. Hardly shows, in fact took me quite a while to notice it despite taking one to pieces. Probably fine for display as is but if it's going to have much done to it then it calls for a touch of 2000 grade wet and dry followed by Halfords Vauxhall burgandy red, or crimson lake as it's otherwise known. Still, have to cut the moulded handrails off anyway. Tried fitting the chassis from my Millholme 2P, lines up ok. Enough room, this is an idea of what it would look like as a 990 class. Comparison of how much longer compound is alongside 2Ps (Millholme and Jamieson), another project still to be finished! Chimney and dome from Jamieson 2P to show LMS fittings. I'm thinking these would have been a standard pattern, could be wrong and need to check. When the compound is in pieces it's rather like looking at a Kitmaster kit, already painted! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Meant to say in last post that mushroom vents on tender tend to drop off, stick back in easily enough but probably best to check before they disappear. Also the cab ventilator isn't square to the cab roof (but seems fitted in a slot). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Harrison Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Recently read a book, can't remember name right now but got it out of library, about converting locos from various other (cheapish) locos. One was an sdjr 7F from an airfix 4F with a modified boiler, think it ran on a Hornby 8F chassis. So think it could be done from gbr compound. One to muse about, may not be finished that soon of course. I think that book is "Model Locomotive Building on the Cheap" published by Silver Link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I am really loving seeing the conversions being done at the moment. The A3 in particular above is rather smart and I like the ideas for the Compound too. I think there's got to be scope for a similar series aimed specifically at modellers to fill in gaps in loco and rolling stock respectively. The Hachette Mk1 springs to mind as a decent example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I think that book is "Model Locomotive Building on the Cheap" published by Silver Link. That's the one, by Ken Chadwick (just looked it up on Amazon). Thanks. It's got some interesting ideas, providing the donor locos are available cheaply enough. Now, thanks to GBR.... Rowanj's A3 looks spot on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emperordalek Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 In reply to James Harisson's post and a similar one a few pages ago it would be good if we could have a partwork that covered freight and passenger stock (parcels vans included). Conversions to runners would be relatively simple. Some decent coke wagons would be high on my wants lists for goods and an LMS design (POS) Post office vehicle (made famous in August '63!) -NOT- copied from the dreadful Tri-ang version!!! I can also take the opportunity on behalf of all of us to wish Weathering Man a speedy recovery, we're all missing you Sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Do you think that a partwork consisting of Famous Goods Wagons would sell to the general public? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Do you think that a partwork consisting of Famous Goods Wagons would sell to the general public? There is obviously the demand from modellers for cheap body shells and rolling stock to modify for their own purposes. If you can make something perhaps aimed at the modeller and anyone with an interest in model railways (as has pretty much happened with GBL let's face it) then something profitable could be made. The partwork idea has merit but as with everything, it's a balancing act and would have to be planned carefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 But that won't work if the partwork depends on mass purchases by the general public. I often get the impression that some people here think that we are the only people buying these models - we (on this thread) are about 20 people. I suspect that we represent about a tenth of a percent of sales, and the choice of subject has to go to the mass market. I don't think Mr & Mrs Public are going to want a line of coke wagons on their living room mantel. Wagons are cheap to buy (Dapol or ebay) or make, on Dapol chassis. I don't see any business case for a magazine every month with one on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emperordalek Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Do you think that a partwork consisting of Famous Goods Wagons would sell to the general public? perhaps not, but there again did the Hatchette YRMV really catch on? Perhaps bogie vehicles would seem a better bargain to justify the cover price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiffy2 Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Different business case. It's something that the subscriber has to keep on with, like the ship models, Flying Scotsman or Lewis Hamilton's McLaren. The overall sales will be fewer but they will be guaranteed, allowing for drop outs. Hachette have a long track record of partworks in France, and they are either 'dip in' series (racing cars, trucks, fire engines, taxis etc) or construction projects. As do the other specialists in this sort of publishing. GBL is really a dip-in for most people I suspect. Subscriptions will be the gravy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I suspect we are not thinking along similar lines. I am postulating something more limited in number and specialist for modellers in a similar vein. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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