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[Fair Oak Junction]

Quite possibly yes, plus some earlier liveries require incredibly intricate details that would likely require specialists to do.

But if it can be done, I feel it should.

Edited April 21 by Fair Oak Junction

[Gilbert]

26 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

I wonder if cost is a factor in deciding to paint a loco BR black instead of a colourful and possibly complicated pre-grouping livery?

 

Probably so but when it's done its worth it IMHO...

[Captain Kernow]

58 minutes ago, Gilbert said:

Probably so but when it's done its worth it IMHO...

Maybe, but polished real copper would look better than that copper paint, the lamp irons look under-nourished and the chimneys not quite the right shape.

 

But ModelU are to be commended for the figures.

 

Is that smoke some kind of DCC thing?

 

And I bet it's got a coreless motor...

 

[2ManySpams]

3 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

In my case being taken as a child to see both steam and diesel trains, it’s not a preference for BR liveries per say, rather a preference for authenticity - a preserved loco should only be painted in a livery consistent with its current state. So rebuilt Bullied Pacifics should only be in BR liveries etc.

 

Steam and diesel...

 

[gwrrob]

Wish us luck chaps, PUSB.

 

[GMKAT7]

Good afternoon Robin,

 

Everything crossed, hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

 

Good luck to Mark and the boys!

PUSB.

 

Cheers, Nigel.

[Dunsignalling]

5 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

In my case being taken as a child to see both steam and diesel trains, it’s not a preference for BR liveries per say, rather a preference for authenticity - a preserved loco should only be painted in a livery consistent with its current state. So rebuilt Bullied Pacifics should only be in BR liveries etc.

 

Anachronisms don't just apply to rebuilt Bulleid Pacifics, or even just to the locomotives.

 

21C123, Blackmore Vale, for instance, was renumbered 34023 in April 1948, and went into BR green in March 1950, but only received the wedge-fronted cab in October 1954.

 

34072, 257 Squadron completed its entire BR service paired with high-sided tenders, whereas (TTBOMK) it's only ever run cut-down examples in preservation.  

 

35029, Ellerman Lines, sectioned in the NRM along with a cut-down 6000 gallon tender, had a high sided one of that type when originally built, but had acquired a second-series 5100 gallon version in 1952, which was cut down concurrently with 35029's rebuilding and remained with the engine until 1965, when it received a cut-down first-series 5000 gallon example for its final year in traffic and two years of storage.   

 

John 

[John Besley]

Don't forget the last time Beachy Head was seen was wayyy back in 1958?... and in BR black, so to turn the clock forwards she looks right in this livery...

 

I like it and I was born in '59...

 

Regards replicate locos I'd love to see a S&D 2P .... if only and or a SR L1

[2ManySpams]

16 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Wish us luck chaps, PUSB.

 

 

Apparently they woz robbed...

[GMKAT7]

Good morning 2ManySpams,

 

Yes, we were, by a VAR decision to give a player offside by a toenail.

 

In the 'good old days ' the benefit of the doubt would have been given to the attacking side (Coventry) but that no longer applies.

 

Mark Robins and the team did the City proud.

PUSB.

 

Cheers, Nigel.

[Mallard60022]

2 hours ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

Apparently they woz robbed...

They wuz. Shocking bl00dy decision.

Philth

[Captain Kernow]

18 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Wish us luck chaps, PUSB.

 

Are you in there somewhere, Robin? 

 

Where's Wally?

 

[Captain Kernow]

20 hours ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

Steam and diesel...

 

Well done, you've passed Basic Locomotive Recognition, Part 1.

 

[St Enodoc]

23 hours ago, Fair Oak Junction said:

Quite possibly yes, plus some earlier liveries require incredibly intricate details that would likely require specialists to do.

But if it can be done, I feel it should.

It can, and often is, when an individual or group sponsors it.

[2ManySpams]

30 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Well done, you've passed Basic Locomotive Recognition, Part 1.

 

 

I didn't say which I thought was which though...

[gwrrob]

58 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

They wuz. Shocking bl00dy decision.

Philth

Allowing it wouldn’t have fitted the tv narrative of wanting an all Manchester cup final would it. He looks level to my eyes.

[46444]

For those interested in a kit built Siphon H.  Not mine. Thought it looked well built and finished and may be of interest.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355649404098?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=jsssom8wq4s&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=MNMqJGNPSxi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

Does anyone know of the origins of the kit producer?

 

Cheers,

 

Mark 

[Star-rider]

On 06/04/2024 at 19:02, County of Yorkshire said:

I see Kernow have listed the fishbelly and 9ft American railmotor bogies as spares on their website. I think they include wheels and at £8 each seem like a bit of a bargain? 

Amongst many things, it’s little gems of information like this that draws me to this thread.

 

I was about to press the button on some 9’ American bogies on the Shapeways site yesterday until I saw the shipping cost. I quite like the SRMW bogies, but the price of getting them here is a deal-breaker these days. Such a shame they can’t be sourced from UK production.

 

Anyway, a pair of the Kernow ones have now been ordered. I’ll have to see what I can do about couplings, the 3D prints include an NEM socket but I’m not sure what provision the Kernow moulding has.

 

There’s always a way…

 

Pete.

[46444]

2 hours ago, Star-rider said:

Amongst many things, it’s little gems of information like this that draws me to this thread.

 

I was about to press the button on some 9’ American bogies on the Shapeways site yesterday until I saw the shipping cost. I quite like the SRMW bogies, but the price of getting them here is a deal-breaker these days. Such a shame they can’t be sourced from UK production.

 

Anyway, a pair of the Kernow ones have now been ordered. I’ll have to see what I can do about couplings, the 3D prints include an NEM socket but I’m not sure what provision the Kernow moulding has.

 

There’s always a way…

 

Pete.

 

Hi Pete,

 

I bit the bullet with the Kernow bogies. I did fit Shapeways 3D printed versions to this Airfix Siphon G, but they rode too high with 14mm wheels. 

 

 

The Kernow bogies are in a different league altogether being made from cast metal, highly detailed and running on fine 14mm profile wheels.

 

 

This is with the two vertical prongs cut flush and fitted with the Airfix mounting pin. 

 

So far, so good. Just need to source suitable nuts, bolts and washers for a permanent fix.

 

Don't think you will be disappointed.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark 

[gwrrob]

Any chance of a photo of it upside down please Mark @46444

[Nick Gough]

2 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Any chance of a photo of it upside down please Mark @46444

Does that help?

[Coach bogie]

I feel I need to highlight that the Kernow bogies are fitted with heavy duty axle boxes. These axle boxes were designed heavy vehicles such as 70 ft Dreadnoughts, Concertinas rail motors, and bogie bolsters wagons etc that carried extra weight.

 

They were not commonly used on siphons and  shorter toplights, where the more common and familiar OK GWR OK axle boxes were used. Once the Collett heavy duty bogies started to appear many coaches were rebogied and the Fish belly and Americans with the heavy duty axle boxes were pooled and reused. I suggest you check photographs to see where they were redeployed. I only have only found two siphon images and a couple of toplights showing them being used.  They were clearly being used but not in great numbers.

 

Heavy duty axle box                                                                                                                          General service OK axle box

           

 

 

This is the only image I have of an early siphon with the Heavy duty axle boxes. Note the rod truss underframe. 

 

Mike Wiltshire

 

 

[46444]

15 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Any chance of a photo of it upside down please Mark @46444

 

Here you are Robin..

 

 

 

I'm in the process of detailing this Siphon G.

 

 

 

The bogies have steps, guard irons and sanding pipes which I have removed here.

 

 

This combination of bogies with a Siphon G is not a common pairing as Mike above has identified.

 

However, as a quick fix for both the Airfix Siphon G/H models it may fit the bill.

 

Cheers, 

 

Mark

Edited April 25 by 46444

[Star-rider]

9 hours ago, Coach bogie said:

I feel I need to highlight that the Kernow bogies are fitted with heavy duty axle boxes. These axle boxes were designed heavy vehicles such as 70 ft Dreadnoughts, Concertinas rail motors, and bogie bolsters wagons etc that carried extra weight.

 

They were not commonly used on siphons and  shorter toplights, where the more common and familiar OK GWR OK axle boxes were used. Once the Collett heavy duty bogies started to appear many coaches were rebogied and the Fish belly and Americans with the heavy duty axle boxes were pooled and reused. I suggest you check photographs to see where they were redeployed. I only have only found two siphon images and a couple of toplights showing them being used.  They were clearly being used but not in great numbers.

 

 

My own need was for an A10 70' first recently received from Blacksmith, hopefully the Kernow bogies will look alright under this.

 

Mark's photos suggest that fitting an NEM socket or tension-lock could be a greater challenge than I had hoped though.

 

Pete.

[Dunsignalling]

9' American bogies were transferred to both the "Airfix" varieties of Siphon.

 

A small batch of Dia.O.22 inside framed Siphons had them from new, and a pair also ended up under at least one of the BR-built Dia. O.62 vans, No. W1332W.

 

The HMRS volume on the subject lists no fewer than eight of the twenty Dia. O.12 Siphon H vans being so equipped, mainly from the late 1920s, at least some of which were still in place on late survivors at withdrawal (mainly by 1960) but also one of the final pair (W1430W) that lasted until November 1962.

 

There seem to have been a dozen or so Dia. O.11 Siphon G's that had them, a rather smaller proportion than on the H type.

 

John