Wickham Green Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Marsh Balloons come to mind. They also appeared in auto-trains. Lots of scope. ..... but relatively short-lived and VERY route-restricted ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Before we launch into 40,000 suggestions of "what next", should we not wait to see if we live long enough for these to appear....? A sobering thought. I'm 68. Dum spiro, spero. An uplifting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Marsh Balloons come to mind. They also appeared in auto-trains. Lots of scope. I guess those would be the ones filled with Methane? I think the high-roofed Panter era stock would be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 A similar GNR 'antique set' which was also a unit train lurked in service until 1966, and is regularly requested, the Quad-Art. There's even a restored set to scan. Although designed for a very specific inner-sub service, these regularly got out and about in excursion traffic, torturing the passengers bladders; there's a very fine colour pic showing an Ivatt Atlantic with Quad-Arts 'racing' an N2 (the usual traction). Were I a betting man, those would be my pick as 'most likely'. Not from Bachmann, as they've shown reluctance to offer four car sets of electric stock when, say a 4EPB should easily out-sell 2EPBs ......... I don't know whether any of the tooling for Hornby's non-gangwayed Gresleys might be adaptable for a Quad-Art (?) - but they might start with the ( twin ) articulated versions of those very same coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 ...I don't know whether any of the tooling for Hornby's non-gangwayed Gresleys might be adaptable for a Quad-Art (?) ... As an FYI, not at all. The Quad-Art was built to pre-group compartment widths, i.e not much! I may be wrong on this, but my recollection would be that a Quad-Art First compartment was barely wider than a regular third in the standard Gresley and Thompson non-gangwayed coaches, and the thirds were narrow in the extreme. Moving in or out of one of the latter when full with seated passengers required considerable care to avoid treading on anyone else' toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I know we're drifting off topic here, but before we get our collective wrists slapped, I've often thought Gresley's restaurant triplet would make a popular model. I believe they survived to BR blue / grey period, so plenty of liveries to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Back to the Birdcages, I hope Bachmann do well with these, and are encouraged to model other per-grouping stock, but I fear that a price of nearly £200 for a rake of three will deter many. For what it's worth, I've got Southern and SECR rakes on order. (Don't tell my credit card ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Back to the Birdcages, I hope Bachmann do well with these, and are encouraged to model other per-grouping stock, but I fear that a price of nearly £200 for a rake of three will deter many. For what it's worth, I've got Southern and SECR rakes on order. (Don't tell my credit card ) I agree. The price won't deter me; it might hurt me, but it won't deter me. An important release and doubtless a quality one when it comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 As an FYI, not at all. The Quad-Art was built to pre-group compartment widths, i.e not much! I may be wrong on this, but my recollection would be that a Quad-Art First compartment was barely wider than a regular third in the standard Gresley and Thompson non-gangwayed coaches, and the thirds were narrow in the extreme. Moving in or out of one of the latter when full with seated passengers required considerable care to avoid treading on anyone else' toes. They weren't called 'sit up and beg' for nothing! Regards, Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I keep thinking about preordained the Southern Rake, along with the H2, but it looks like it's all scheduled for May, that's a hefty £300 in one go! Then again, I can easily save that up and put it to one side by then, so maybe it's not as bad as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I keep thinking about preordained the Southern Rake.... That'd be too predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 For goodness sake, I went to correct the autocorrect and it autocorrected again! Damn it SwiftKey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvrnut Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Does anybody here know if there are any photos of Birdcage coaches being pulled by Brighton Atlantics ? Or did these coaches stay on the former SECR lines. I am thinking Southern Railway days. Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) For goodness sake, I went to correct the autocorrect and it autocorrected again! Damn it SwiftKey! The odd judiciously-placed (or misplaced) hyphen often tames the excesses of autocorrect. Edited December 1, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Does anybody here know if there are any photos of Birdcage coaches being pulled by Brighton Atlantics ? Or did these coaches stay on the former SECR lines. I am thinking Southern Railway days. Cheers, Chris In general (said in a very loose way), in southern days LBSCR stock was scrapped and replaced by stock from the two neighboring sectors, i;e from the former SECR or LSWR. They in turn got new Maunsall coaches. I am not sure if Bridcages (mainly suburban) stock would have been part on that. Maybe around the London areas of former LBSCR. However they strike me as odd choice to go behind a H2 because the loco in question was more for express work and boat trains for which Birdcages were not suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 In general (said in a very loose way), in southern days LBSCR stock was scrapped and replaced by stock from the two neighboring sectors, i;e from the former SECR or LSWR. They in turn got new Maunsall coaches. I am not sure if Bridcages (mainly suburban) stock would have been part on that. Maybe around the London areas of former LBSCR. However they strike me as odd choice to go behind a H2 because the loco in question was more for express work and boat trains for which Birdcages were not suitable. It is true that the SR eliminated ordinary LBSC steam hauled stock, most had gone prior to WW2. The only LBSC steam stock left after WW2 were IOW transfers and push=pull sets. LBSC coaches converted into DC electric units lasted until the 1950's. The Birdcage sets of the type Bachmann are producing were built for mainline use, indeed for the very best trains. As time went on, new build corridor stock and electrification schemes, displaced them and they were to be found on stopping services in Kent, and on secondary main lines in Sussex. One classic duty for these sets, right up until the end, was the Redhill to Reading service. Indeed a set from this service was used each weekday evening to form a Guildford to Cranleigh train. ( M7, 700, Q1,E4 etc ). Many RTR loco classes can authentically haul a Birdcage set, the most surprising of which is the Brighton built Fairburn 2-6-4 tank. As for the Brighton Atlantics, almost certainly . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Connell Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 One classic duty for these sets, right up until the end, was the Redhill to Reading service. Indeed a set from this service was used each weekday evening to form a Guildford to Cranleigh train. ( M7, 700, Q1,E4 etc ). Would you be able to tell me when they started service on the Redhill to Reading line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Sod it, stuck them on preorder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Quick question for the experts.... It's been established that Bachmann are making two versions of the composite. One version, (presumably the later) has 'improved ventilation'. Can anyone say which version of the composite one might expect in each livery? I'd guess that the SECR liveried set will have the earlier compo, and the BR liveried set the latter, but how about the Southern one? Thanks in advanceAdrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Would you be able to tell me when they started service on the Redhill to Reading line? I can't, but must point out that this was originally a South Eastern Railway service, so birdcage stock was a likely sight from Pre-Grouping times. EDIT : But a quick trawl of "Guildford to Redhill" in the Middleton Press book reveals a photo of a Birdcage set at Betchworth (coincidentally my closest station in childhood) in 1932, but I don't know how early your layout is set. Edited December 1, 2016 by Oldddudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Would you be able to tell me when they started service on the Redhill to Reading line? Sorry not sure, for the type being modelled by Bachmann, probably 1930's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Connell Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Sorry not sure, for the type being modelled by Bachmann, probably 1930's. Thank you and thanks to Oldddudders as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Does anybody here know if there are any photos of Birdcage coaches being pulled by Brighton Atlantics ? Or did these coaches stay on the former SECR lines. I am thinking Southern Railway days. Cheers, Chris Have a look at the Brighton Atlantic thread ......... there are lots of photo links and I recall seeing exactly what you're after on .......... er .... at least one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Quick question for the experts.... It's been established that Bachmann are making two versions of the composite. One version, (presumably the later) has 'improved ventilation'. Can anyone say which version of the composite one might expect in each livery? I'd guess that the SECR liveried set will have the earlier compo, and the BR liveried set the latter, but how about the Southern one? Thanks in advance Adrian I think the only experts on this one are Bachmann themselves : both types of coach had virtually the same lifespan and would have carried exactly the same selection of liveries over the years .......... maybe depends on what photos they've managed to dig up for individual sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswjr Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just had an e mail,Telling me they will be available in sept .oct 2017 now, (fed up waiting now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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