johnw1 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 25076 – http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5580936225/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 The line between Melton and Saxby was very busy in steam days. Heavy freight from Toton to Brent, expresses from London to Nottingham, Leeds, Bradford and Scotland. Plus the holiday rush over the MGN to Cromer and Yarmouth. But in 1974 those glory days were over. Here at Brentingby Junction we find 6E56 (there were still headcodes then) heading towards Melton behind 47182. These were empty oil tanks returning to Immingham from the Langley terminal near Heathrow. The signalman is obviously on the ball, as he's already returned the down home to main signal to danger.[/quote Another one which rekindles memories of time standing by the lineside around Corby and Kettering. The Langley tanks were one of the few trains to be pretty well guaranteed a Brush 4 which could be from just about anywhere so worth the effort to try and catch. I don't remember seeing anything else on this train until a 56 appeared in about 1982. I don't have a WTT but seem to remember there were two a day, one of them passed Corby around 6 in the evening I think it was, the Northbound trains often ran up the mainline so weren't often seen on the branch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 For a change from the usual mix of Cl.47s and Cl.20s on MGR trains, occasionally in the mid 1970s pairs of Cl.37s could appear on the Erewash Valley line. Here two of Tinsley's finest power away from Toton North Yard with empty HAAs for the ER. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 23, 2014 Not quite what you're after, but is this of interest Mike? Peter. Do you have any shots of the Battery Electrics that used to work around the power station at Spondon? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Peter. Do you have any shots of the Battery Electrics that used to work around the power station at Spondon? Steve Sorry Steve I don't. They never appeared at the station-end of the exchange sidings, at least not when I was around. Sometimes you could spot one in the distance coupling onto a rake of HUOs to take them into the power station, but that's the closest they usually got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Back at Trowell again, but this time it's August 1977. 40197 clatters over the junction on the down goods line with a northbound ballast train. Maybe Class 40s were more common than I thought..... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold geoff Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2014 The line between Melton and Saxby was very busy in steam days. Heavy freight from Toton to Brent, expresses from London to Nottingham, Leeds, Bradford and Scotland. Plus the holiday rush over the MGN to Cromer and Yarmouth. But in 1974 those glory days were over. Here at Brentingby Junction we find 6E56 (there were still headcodes then) heading towards Melton behind 47182. These were empty oil tanks returning to Immingham from the Langley terminal near Heathrow. The signalman is obviously on the ball, as he's already returned the down home to main signal to danger.[/quote Another one which rekindles memories of time standing by the lineside around Corby and Kettering. The Langley tanks were one of the few trains to be pretty well guaranteed a Brush 4 which could be from just about anywhere so worth the effort to try and catch. I don't remember seeing anything else on this train until a 56 appeared in about 1982. I don't have a WTT but seem to remember there were two a day, one of them passed Corby around 6 in the evening I think it was, the Northbound trains often ran up the mainline so weren't often seen on the branch. Rangers, would this be the north bound tanks you referred to? 31, 6Z11 Glendon 24/12/74 11:27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 For a change from the usual mix of Cl.47s and Cl.20s on MGR trains, occasionally in the mid 1970s pairs of Cl.37s could appear on the Erewash Valley line. Here two of Tinsley's finest power away from Toton North Yard with empty HAAs for the ER. Are those military ambulances loaded on to warflats in the background? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Are those military ambulances loaded on to warflats in the background? Looks like it Pete. Perhaps they've been tripped to/from Chilwell. The northbound tanks at Glendon are a special working with the "Z" headcode". As the date shown is Christmas Eve, presumably they want to get the empty tanks back to the oil refinery before the holiday shutdown starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold geoff Posted February 23, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Looks like it Pete. Perhaps they've been tripped to/from Chilwell. The northbound tanks at Glendon are a special working with the "Z" headcode". As the date shown is Christmas Eve, presumably they want to get the empty tanks back to the oil refinery before the holiday shutdown starts. Going the other way. 46006 6E49 Glendon 24/11/74 Edited February 23, 2014 by geoff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Looks like it Pete. Perhaps they've been tripped to/from Chilwell. The northbound tanks at Glendon are a special working with the "Z" headcode". As the date shown is Christmas Eve, presumably they want to get the empty tanks back to the oil refinery before the holiday shutdown starts. Hard to say if that's a down Langley working, certainly the routing is northbound on the mainline but the 47 was usually a give away for the Langley. I believe the reason was that it was an out and back working and the crews responsible for the WR leg weren't universally trained on 45s. Also, those tanks look like heavy oil or bitumen rather than kerosene which I think Langley received. There were irregular workings/ specials for ad-hoc flows to cover deliveries of fuel oil to some customers who needed standby supplies for instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yes, much of the supply for Langley would've been aviation fuel for Heathrow. Is the "Peak" in the picture above heading for somewhere in East London/North Thames estuary, judging by the "E" headcode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Going the other way. 46006 6E49 Glendon 24/11/74 46006.jpg 6E49 is on the up main, most unusual at this point, as it would have been routed down the mainline from Leicester, most freight coming that way would have been turned on to the slow lines in the background at Glendon Nth. Assuming the head code is correct, it would suggest its a return to Ripple Lane, not a Langley. Heavily loaded freight rarely went via the mainline and even less common behind 45s/46s which had lower maximum loads than 47s. MGRs were virtually unknown loaded on the mainline, the Manton road allowing another three or four wagons for a 45/46 or about seven for a 47. Similar restrictions would have applied to tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Could it have been heating oil for Corby; at the time, the furnaces and soaking-pits would still have been operational? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Heavily loaded freight rarely went via the mainline and even less common behind 45s/46s which had lower maximum loads than 47s. MGRs were virtually unknown loaded on the mainline, the Manton road allowing another three or four wagons for a 45/46 or about seven for a 47. Similar restrictions would have applied to tanks. The 45 mph limit (or was it 50?) for loaded MGRs wouldn't help either. Edited February 24, 2014 by Poor Old Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Early morning in the late 1970s as a Class 120 DMU, a stalwart of local services in the East Midlands for around 15 years, accelerates away from Spondon on a Nottingham local. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Moving back to Spondon Station we see something that was once a daily event there, some fly shunting. The full HUOs for Spondon Power Station would arrive from Gedling Colliery and stop in the down loop. The brake van would be uncoupled, then the loco (or locos as it was more often than not a pair of Class 20s) would reverse the complete train then suddenly stop before reaching the level crossing, allowing the brake van to gently roll into the sidings onto a rake of empties. The train would then draw forward again, the loco/s run round, then draw the wagons (minus brake van) into one of the exchange sidings.The loco/s would uncouple, draw forward, then back onto the empties with the brake van on the rear. The whole ensemble then being propelled over the level crossing into the down loop. When the mainline was clear, they'd head back to Gedling. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Could it have been heating oil for Corby; at the time, the furnaces and soaking-pits would still have been operational? Neither of these trains would have run through Corby, ones heading North about to leave the down goods on to the double track section towards Mkt Harborough, the other on the up mainline with the goods lines/ Corby and Manton road behind it. I can't recall much in the way of oil being delivered to Corby although there were tank trains appeared in the BSC yard adjacent to what is now the BR line to the slitting plant. I'd guess these were delivering fuel oil for the loco fleet. The furnaces were all powered by gas from the coke ovens which was plentiful and essentially free as it had to go somewhere. The works had been built to be self sufficient in gas as well as supplying the surrounding area. When the area was converted to natural gas for its domestic supply in 1973, BSC was left with a huge amount of gas which needed to be flared off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DavidBird Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) Going the other way. 46006 6E49 Glendon 24/11/74 46006.jpg 6E49 is on the up main, most unusual at this point, as it would have been routed down the mainline from Leicester, most freight coming that way would have been turned on to the slow lines in the background at Glendon Nth. Assuming the head code is correct, it would suggest its a return to Ripple Lane, not a Langley. Heavily loaded freight rarely went via the mainline and even less common behind 45s/46s which had lower maximum loads than 47s. MGRs were virtually unknown loaded on the mainline, the Manton road allowing another three or four wagons for a 45/46 or about seven for a 47. Similar restrictions would have applied to tanks. I have the WTTs for summer 74 and summer 75, unfortunately not for winter 74/75, which would cover the period of the picture. In the 74 timetable the southbound 6E49 (there is also a northbound 6E49) is shown as 6E49 07 50 Empties Kingsbury to Purfleet D1150 - Class 45 locomotives TThSO AIR COY Kingsbury 07 50 Tamworth HL 07/59 Wichnor Jn 08/09 Leicester Jn 08/25 Stenson Jn 08/42 Sheet Stores Jn 09*03 Sheet Stores Jn 09*09 Trent Jn 09*14 Trent Jn 09*26 Loughborough 09/40 Syston North Jn 09/55 Leicester North 10L00 Leicester North 10L05 Wigston North Jn 10/15 Market Harboro' 10/32 Little Bowden Jn 10X34 Desboro' North 10*42 Desboro' North 11*02 Glendon North Jn 11X10 SL Glendon South Jn 11/12 Kettering 11/17 Finedon Road 11L28 Finedon Road 12X08 GL (SO times are few minutes earlier from here) Wellingboro' Station 12/11 Irchester South 12/19 Sharnbrook 12/28 Bedford North 12/37 Kempston Road Jn 12/40 Leagrave 13/12 Luton South 13/16 Harpenden 13/22 St. Albans 13/32 Elstree 13/43 Hendon 13/49 Cricklewood Jn 13L56 Cricklewood Jn 14L28 Finchley Road 14/33 Carlton Road Jn 14/36 Gospel Oak 14*39 Gospel Oak 14*41 Junction Road Jn 14/45 Upper Holloway 14/46 The summer 75 WTT has virtually the same times, I presume winter 74/75 would be the same. Hope that helps. (Edit: Not sure why the code is in colour!) But it leads me to a question. My interest is in the area around Nottingham. I have the signalling diagram for Trent PSB, and so am familiar with the layout around Trent. Just what were the "shunt for following train to pass" movements at SS Jn and Trent Jn? Edited February 26, 2014 by DavidBird Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 Crew change at Derby. So how many can you fit into a Brush 4? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 I have the WTTs for summer 74 and summer 75, unfortunately not for winter 74/75, which would cover the period of the picture. In the 74 timetable the southbound 6E49 (there is also a northbound 6E49) is shown as 6E49 07 50 Empties Kingsbury to Purfleet D1150 - Class 45 locomotives TThSO AIR COY Kingsbury 07 50 Tamworth HL 07/59 Wichnor Jn 08/09 Leicester Jn 08/25 Stenson Jn 08/42 Sheet Stores Jn 09*03 Sheet Stores Jn 09*09 Trent Jn 09*14 Trent Jn 09*26 Loughborough 09/40 Syston North Jn 09/55 Leicester North 10L00 Leicester North 10L05 Wigston North Jn 10/15 Market Harboro' 10/32 Little Bowden Jn 10X34 Desboro' North 10*42 Desboro' North 11*02 Glendon North Jn 11X10 SL Glendon South Jn 11/12 Kettering 11/17 Finedon Road 11L28 Finedon Road 12X08 GL (SO times are few minutes earlier from here) Wellingboro' Station 12/11 Irchester South 12/19 Sharnbrook 12/28 Bedford North 12/37 Kempston Road Jn 12/40 Leagrave 13/12 Luton South 13/16 Harpenden 13/22 St. Albans 13/32 Elstree 13/43 Hendon 13/49 Cricklewood Jn 13L56 Cricklewood Jn 14L28 Finchley Road 14/33 Carlton Road Jn 14/36 Gospel Oak 14*39 Gospel Oak 14*41 Junction Road Jn 14/45 Upper Holloway 14/46 The summer 75 WTT has virtually the same times, I presume winter 74/75 would be the same. Hope that helps. (Edit: Not sure why the code is in colour!) But it leads me to a question. My interest is in the area around Nottingham. I have the signalling diagram for Trent PSB, and so am familiar with the layout around Trent. Just what were the "shunt for following train to pass" movements at SS Jn and Trent Jn? David, I think the "shunt for following train to pass" is to do with pathing. The train won't be physically shunted out of the way, but at Sheet Stores, for example, it might have to wait for a train/s passing on the Derby line before it can proceed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 A steam-heat "Peak" passes London Road Junction, at the approach to Derby, with a cross-country service. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBird Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 David, I think the "shunt for following train to pass" is to do with pathing. The train won't be physically shunted out of the way, but at Sheet Stores, for example, it might have to wait for a train/s passing on the Derby line before it can proceed. At Trent (not to be confused with Trent Jn) there are Up & Down loops on the Nottingham lines, so a shunt would make sense there, but at Trent Jn or SS Jn there are no loops. After I'd posted the question it occurred that it might be as simple as just waiting for another train to pass before continuing. I've just had a look at the Mandatory WTT for 74/75. The 1C20 0855 Derby to St Pancras is shown as Long Eaton 09 06, SS Jn 09/07, and 1M13 0830 Sheffield to St Pancras, Toton Centre 09/14, Trent 09/20, Trent Jn 09/211/2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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