West End Workbench

[St Enodoc]

2 hours ago, Barry O said:

Obviously not the right sort of parmo!

 

Baz

Probably used monkey's blood for the sauce.

[Bucoops]

Please stop using that word, it makes me want these

 

[gr.king]

I thought parmos were for eating (by certain people), not for experimentation. Please let's not hear what the experiment involved.

[jwealleans]

 

 

Still very much available - and now in cheese.   I was given a bulk pack for Christmas a few years ago and am still working through them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MrWolf]

I thought Parmo was a nasty virus that dogs get?

Although I have seen the effect of too much Parmo on those Police fly on the wall shows, where everyone is dressed up for scrapping on a Friday night. It explains the high incidence of "Porridge legs" amongst the young ladies, well, that and cheesy chips...

[durham light infantry]

21 hours ago, Barry O said:

If you are desperate for a parmo... visit Teesside!!

 

Baz

 

Coates butchers of Coxhoe do the best ones. Occassionally they do these...

 

Black pudding and blue cheese, mmmmm

 

[Jol Wilkinson]

Whilst I usually lament the loss of regional food specialities in England, I am starting to have doubts.

 

The Fish Dish, an excellent fish restaurant in Felixstowe, lists Chicken Parmo on its menu. Variations include with pepperoni, prawns and a Chicken Kiev version. My wife and I have been intrigued by this dish, which we had never heard of but now I think I'll stick to their excellent fish meals.

[jwealleans]

Just a quick note to let anyone planning on attending know that Mr King and I will be manning the LNER Society stand on Monday at York Show, assisted by Dave Jobling.   Dave will also be on the stand on Sunday.  Please come and say hello.

[Barry O]

12 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Just a quick note to let anyone planning on attending know that Mr King and I will be manning the LNER Society stand on Monday at York Show, assisted by Dave Jobling.   Dave will also be on the stand on Sunday.  Please come and say hello.

See you on Monday!

 

Baz

[247 Developments]

On 06/04/2023 at 20:38, jwealleans said:

Just a quick note to let anyone planning on attending know that Mr King and I will be manning the LNER Society stand on Monday at York Show, assisted by Dave Jobling.   Dave will also be on the stand on Sunday.  Please come and say hello.

remember to pick up your box

[chris p bacon]

Game of Cricket?

[jwealleans]

6 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

Game of Cricket?

 

Always use protection.

[Jesse Sim]

On 07/04/2023 at 05:38, jwealleans said:

Just a quick note to let anyone planning on attending know that Mr King and I will be manning the LNER Society stand on Monday at York Show, assisted by Dave Jobling.   Dave will also be on the stand on Sunday.  Please come and say hello.

I signed up at Ally Pally but haven’t received any notification by email ( I did pay cash for the fee).

 

Do you mind following it up For me?

[jwealleans]

I'm sure I can do that.

[jwealleans]

In between being very busy with other things, I have painted and lettered the Tube wagon.   Chas asked for a comparison to other similar types, so here it is:

 

 

Jim's monster dominating the centre, with a 51L NB Pipe wagon to left, NuCast Longfit to right and a Chivers LMS Tube behind.   It's a beast.   I am going to have to think of a decent load for it.

 

 

In among this and other odd jobs, a 51L G2 van which came to me because Dave was having a clearout.   it was incomplete, but Andrew does all the bits so easy enough to finish off.  This is the matchboard sided one which is now in the David Geen range.  I had one already which is fitted, so this is unfitted.   There was a discussion about roof doors somewhere on here a week or two ago, so this is how this one is done.  Canvas doors usually only had a frame over half the roof and just concertinaed up inside it when opened.   That said, I have seen at least one picture of one of these with the runners extending right over the width of the roof.   The whole thing is done with Evergreen strip, 40 x 30 thou for the frame and 20 x 30 for the laths.   The canvas is Rizla paper painted black.  I should also mention the extra brace between the end posts on those which have a roof door.

 

 

Finally an actual Monster.  Kirk kit, from a large collection Red Leader was disposing of at Hartlepool last year.   This kit is NLA as the moulds were altered to make the inside framed version, I believe.   Built very much as per the destructions apart from replacement bogies (MJT) and the window bars.  I didn't like the plastic ones and certainly didn't fancy painting them white for an in-service vehicle.  Bits of .45 wire soldered across suitable offcuts of fret work just as well.

 

 

The fret then serves as a land to glue the whole thing in place.   Sprayed black then painted with Metalcote 27004 and polished when dry.  It's now had a roof and just needs a bit of finishing off.

 

 

Thanks to Russ Elliott and the gwr.org pages for the guidance on this as I know nothing about them.

Edited April 20, 2023 by jwealleans

[Nick Lawson]

 

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now in the David Geen range

Has this come back?

 

Useful tips on the G2 roof Jonathan. I also have one that is missing that part.

[Compound2632]

11 hours ago, jwealleans said:

I am going to have to think of a decent load for it.

 

Tubes or pipes must surely have been manufactured in standard lengths? Or was this particular type built the length it was to accommodate the products of one particular manufacturer, who made tubes longer than those made by any factory served by the LMS? Or is it two tubes long?

 

What sort of tubes anyway? As for pipes, there's considerable scope for ambiguity:

 

 

[La Trahison des Images, René Magritte (1898-1967) - Image taken from a University of Alabama site, "Approaches to Modernism" [1], Fair use (Old-50), https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?curid=555365]

... and painted 1928/9 so roughly contemporary with the wagon. 

[jwealleans]

27 minutes ago, Nick Lawson said:

Has this come back?

 

I haven't seen any official news.   David and Dot are both in better health than for sometime, so prospects may be better, but please don't take that as anything approaching official or authoritative.

[Chas Levin]

On 19/04/2023 at 21:09, jwealleans said:

In between being very busy with other things, I have painted and lettered the Tube wagon.   Chas asked for a comparison to other similar types, so here it is:

 

 

Jim's monster dominating the centre, with a 51L NB Pipe wagon to left, NuCast Longfit to right and a Chivers LMS Tube behind.   It's a beast.   I am going to have to think of a decent load for it.

 

Thanks Jonathan, magnificent vehicle and as you say a beast! Very different to the standard pipe wagons, as you said it would be, but seeing them side by side makes it much clearer.

 

On 19/04/2023 at 21:09, jwealleans said:

 

In among this and other odd jobs, a 51L G2 van which came to me because Dave was having a clearout.   it was incomplete, but Andrew does all the bits so easy enough to finish off.  This is the matchboard sided one which is now in the David Geen range.  I had one already which is fitted, so this is unfitted.   There was a discussion about roof doors somewhere on here a week or two ago, so this is how this one is done.  Canvas doors usually only had a frame over half the roof and just concertinaed up inside it when opened.   That said, I have seen at least one picture of one of these with the runners extending right over the width of the roof.   The whole thing is done with Evergreen strip, 40 x 30 thou for the frame and 20 x 30 for the laths.   The canvas is Rizla paper painted black.  I should also mention the extra brace between the end posts on those which have a roof door.

 

 

Very nice job too and very interesting. There was talk recently on the D299 thread about the underlying structure and the outer appearance of these canvas roof sections, because I noticed the presence of the undulating surface as viewed end-on, which I hadn't seen before either on prototype photos or models, so my first effort at one has a rather flat looking canvas section. I'd resolved to do a better job on future ones though, so seeing your method there is very helpful because the results look excellent.

[Nick Lawson]

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David and Dot are both in better health

Well that's good news in itself.

[jwealleans]

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Well that's good news in itself.

 

I think we can all agree on that.

 

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Tubes or pipes must surely have been manufactured in standard lengths?

 

There are a few threads on here which reference this and Andrew Teale, who seems to be on hiatus from the forum just at the moment, showed some very useful pictures of the way these were packed into wagons, I think on Tony Wright's thread.   You're right, though, I can't think they didn't consider the length of load when drawing up the wagon.  On the other hand there weren't too many of these built so it may have been a fairly specialist flow.

 

Quick job to keep myself occupied last night.  I was having a tidy up and found a Bachmann Lowfit I'd picked up from somewhere.  I have a completed whitemetal car looking for a home, so i thought that would be the ideal thing.  The bodies on these wagons are a very good representation, but the underframe is a fiction, being something in the range they just decided to use.  I robbed the underframe from a Parkside van kit (PC61) and then added details as usual.  I think I've shown this conversion before and it's quite well known, but there are always new people reading a thread.

 

 

 

Body securing brackets from 20 x 60 thou Evergreen, buffers from Lanarkshire Models, vac pipes from MJT, the rest just .45 wire and bits of plastic from offcuts.   What you may just be able to see is that while the body was in the flat, I shaved off the cosmetic lashing rings in the corners and drilled a hole so I can make wire replacements to tie down the load to.   You can also just make out the lamp iron these had on the buffer beam.

 

I've built up the van body and will make an underframe for it.   Have I missed something obvious or does no-one do a 9' fitted LNER underframe?  I think all the previous vans I've ended up with after doing this Lowfit conversion have ended up being unfitted.

 

Another job to bring to completion - SEF K3.   During lockdown there was a sudden influx of these onto Ebay and having decided I fancied one I forgot about it and bought another.   After some shuffling of tenders and cabs between that and the cheap Bachmann one I had from Hattons, I had 227 (the Hulburd gear fitted one), 1125 which made its appearance at Harrogate, and what was left.  Looking at the loco and tender which remained I found a suitable candidate from photographs and so we now have No. 120.   This almost made the cut for Harrogate but there just wasn't quite time.   I've fitted the last of the tender pickups and given it a test run today and it was fine, so it's on to detailing, weathering and crew.  I need a smokebox dart (should have bought some at York) and not much else, really.   The rear body fixing is missing, that's why it's sitting cab high.

 

 

You can see the car intended for the Lowfit in the background and also the PD van body to the right.

Edited April 23, 2023 by jwealleans

[Chas Levin]

5 hours ago, jwealleans said:

There are a few threads on here which reference this and Andrew Teale, who seems to be on hiatus from the forum just at the moment, showed some very useful pictures of the way these were packed into wagons, I think on Tony Wright's thread.   You're right, though, I can't think they didn't consider the length of load when drawing up the wagon.  On the other hand there weren't too many of these built so it may have been a fairly specialist flow.

 

From what I've read I'm sure that's right Jonathan, in that railway companies were very ready to build specialist wagons to cater for specialist loads and they very sensibly tried to match the numbers of such non-standard wagons to the expected amount of business, because (as railwaymen of the time might have said), idle rolling stock butters no parsnips. I hadn't realised that until I read about various types of specialist wagons and realised they were built as needed - I'd always assumed the companies built wagons they thought might be used.

That kind of thinking is a large part of why I don't run my own business...

 

Presumably it would only be quite specialised types of pipe or tube that couldn't be made and transported in shorter lengths and then joined up at the point of installation - perhaps things that needed to be cast in a single length for strength, or for withstanding pressure in use?

[Compound2632]

19 minutes ago, Chas Levin said:

From what I've read I'm sure that's right Jonathan, in that railway companies were very ready to build specialist wagons to cater for specialist loads and they very sensibly tried to match the numbers of such non-standard wagons to the expected amount of business, because (as railwaymen of the time might have said), idle rolling stock butters no parsnips. I hadn't realised that until I read about various types of specialist wagons and realised they were built as needed - I'd always assumed the companies built wagons they thought might be used.

 

From my reading of the MR Traffic Committee minutes, in the latter half of the nineteenth century the Midland built special wagons when it was perceived that for lack of suitable wagons they were in danger of losing a traffic to another company. (Not specified but I suspect usually the Great Northern.)

[St Enodoc]

On 20/04/2023 at 06:09, jwealleans said:

replacement bogies (MJT)

If you've got no use for the original plastic ones I know someone who could give them a home...

[jwealleans]

I'd have to be able to remember what I did with them.....