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[Dunsignalling]

The reason the X04 replacement needed "adapting" to fit the G6 is that the original motor wasn't an X04.

 

Chassis and motor are from a Hornby Dublo R1.

 

John

[BoD]

2 hours ago, jwealleans said:

We'll see how long this lasts.

I’m sure I’ll be able to ruin it a week come Sunday.

[jwealleans]

12 hours ago, 65179 said:

Is the GC van ex-CLC

 

It is.   The 'CLC' in that sentence had been lost somewhere.   The instructions from Robin Peover included numbering and other details for the wagons passed to the LMS, so I decided to use them.

 

12 hours ago, 65179 said:

What colours did you use for the new and newish wood effect on the D178 open?  It's very effective.

 

Thank you.   It's Humbrol 94 and 148, thinned slightly, brushed onto the grey primer.   I plan to put some thinned grey over the buff colour before I varnish and weather it, see how that turns out.

 

11 hours ago, Jol Wilkinson said:

The LNWR D96 40-ton bogie wagon was designed by Bob Williams ....  I have one of the original kits in its flat pack brown envelope

 

Thanks, Jol.   That's how mine was, in just a plain brown envelope with 'D96 Trolley wagon' or some such noted on it.   If it has been changed, perhaps bogie stretchers have been added?   I had to stop when I reached the point where it told me to make them, not having taken any brass sheet with me.  

 

11 hours ago, Dunsignalling said:

The reason the X04 replacement needed "adapting" to fit the G6 is that the original motor wasn't an X04.

 

I'd eventually reached that conclusion.   My initial thought was that it was an X04 in a fancy mount.   We'll see how my makeshift fixing holds up.

[Tony Teague]

On 27/01/2024 at 08:26, jwealleans said:

 

The right hand vehicle is a Three Peaks Models L & Y D1 open.   This only just qualifies as a kit as there were only two pieces.   It was recommended elsewhere and as I'm always interested to look at new products and manufacturers (and I have a number of LMS containers in need of wagons), i gave it a go.   The finish is very good, the resin is slightly flexible, which is a bonus and it took longer to open the package than to assemble it.

 

Hi Jonathan

As you say, the 3 Peaks L&Y D1 kit looks about as simple as one could get; I had a look at the website where one can download the instructions - and again, I suspect that it takes longer to read them than to build the model, however, I have one question:

The kit does not include wheels, and there is no mention of embedding wheel bearings / axle cups into the axle boxes. Did you do this - in which case what was your experience in drilling out the axle boxes - or are you just relying on the axles sitting directly in the resin casting.

Tony

[jwealleans]

Morning Tony,

 

I'm very reluctant just to have axle ends running in resin, it's never a good long term solution.   In this case, Wizard waisted bearings dropped straight in and Gibson 12mm wheels ran freely in them.   About as simple as you can get.

Edited February 1 by jwealleans
Spilling.

[Tony Teague]

2 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Morning Tony,

 

I'm very reluctant just to have axle ends running in resin, it's never a good long term solution.   In this case, Wizard waisted bearings dropped straight in and Gibson 12mm wheels ran freely in them.   About as simple as you can get.

Thanks Jonathan

That was my concern - but it sounds like the solution is simple.

Tony

[gr.king]

On 27/01/2024 at 10:09, Dunsignalling said:

The reason the X04 replacement needed "adapting" to fit the G6 is that the original motor wasn't an X04.

 

Chassis and motor are from a Hornby Dublo R1.

 

John

I'd have suggested the same myself somewhat sooner than now, but had not been at my best Saturday onwards owing to some sort of ear infection. Improving significantly now though.

The very unequal wheelbase was one clue pointing to H-D, and I do recall the late owner of one of our no-longer-present model shops describing an "XO4 like" motor used in some of the Dublo models, including some versions of the Castle and 8F if memory is not lying to me. 

Edited February 1 by gr.king
Tidying up grammar!

[Dunsignalling]

1 hour ago, gr.king said:

I'd have suggested the same myself somewhat sooner than now, but was not been at my best Saturday onwards owing to some sort of ear infection. Improving significantly now though.

The very unequal wheelbase was one clue pointing to H-D, and I do recall the late owner of one of our no-longer-present model shops describing an "XO4 like" motor used in some of the Dublo models, including some versions of the Castle and 8F if memory is not lying to me. 

 

Usually referred to as the half-inch motor back in the day, IIRC. As you say, it was replaced by the Ringfield  motor in later Castles and 8Fs.

[Asterix2012]

15 hours ago, jwealleans said:

Morning Tony,

 

I'm very reluctant just to have axle ends running in resin, it's never a good long term solution.   In this case, Wizard waisted bearings dropped straight in and Gibson 12mm wheels ran freely in them.   About as simple as you can get.

Thanks Jonathan I was wondering that as well, helped me decide to go and order one now 

[gr.king]

On 27/01/2024 at 08:26, jwealleans said:

 

 

 

Fitting wasn't quite as straightforward as I'd hoped; that's not a vanilla X04 in the previous picture and the mounting holes weren't in the right place.   You can't slide the mounting on Peter's replacement over the worm and my puller wouldn't shift it, so I had to cut it off and then use the rear mount to make a replacement.  It's all running now, though, ideally for another few decades

 

I meant to ask this a few days ago. Did that "XO3 / XO4 replacement" motor come with a pre-fitted Triang-type worm gear and does it really mesh perfectly with the Dublo pinion? If so, that must be a very rare example of Hornby-Dublo and Rovex-Triang using a common standard!

[St Enodoc]

2 hours ago, gr.king said:

I meant to ask this a few days ago. Did that "XO3 / XO4 replacement" motor come with a pre-fitted Triang-type worm gear and does it really mesh perfectly with the Dublo pinion? If so, that must be a very rare example of Hornby-Dublo and Rovex-Triang using a common standard!

A bit of grinding paste will fix anything.

[jwealleans]

15 hours ago, gr.king said:

I meant to ask this a few days ago. Did that "XO3 / XO4 replacement" motor come with a pre-fitted Triang-type worm gear and does it really mesh perfectly with the Dublo pinion?

 

It certainly did some with a pre-fitted worm - so pre-fitted it bent my puller when I tried to remove it to get the supplied mounting off.

 

The meshing is not silent, but certainly doesn't grind as though it's mismatched.   With the perversity common to almost all kit built mechanisms, it's quieter in reverse.   Given the age and history of the mech, it may be that none of the original gearset is still present.   Wheels and axles have certainly been replaced.  I don't have it to hand to check whether it's been bushed to use standard Romford axles, which would strongly suggest the gear is a replacement.

 

 

Edited February 6 by jwealleans

[Dunsignalling]

44 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

 

It certainly did some with a pre-fitted worm - so pre-fitted it bent my puller when I tried to remove it to get the supplied mounting off.

 

The meshing is not silent, but certainly doesn't grind as though it's mismatched.   With the perversity common to almost all kit built mechanisms, it's quieter in reverse.   Given the age and history of the mech, it may be that none of the original gearset is still present.   Wheels and axles have certainly been replaced.  I don't have to to hand to check whether it's been bushed to use standard Romford axles, which would strongly suggest the gear is a replacement.

 

 

 

Unlike Tri-ang, Hornby Dublo used axles of 1/8" diameter, as did Romford. Unless the chassis block was worn, there should be no need to bush anything.

 

Nowadays Markits also offer 3mm axles to make life easier.  

 

John

[Chas Levin]

7 hours ago, jwealleans said:

With the perversity common to almost all kit built mechanisms, it's quieter in reverse. 

 

That sentence makes me feel so much better! 😅

[St Enodoc]

13 hours ago, jwealleans said:

With the perversity common to almost all kit built mechanisms, it's quieter in reverse.

That's not unusual with worm drives, where the thrust on the armature is in opposite directions according to which way it is rotating (but you knew that already...).

[jwealleans]

4 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

That's not unusual

 

I've heard that before...

 

 

.... but he didn't mention the rest.

 

 

[Chas Levin]

10 hours ago, jwealleans said:

 

I've heard that before...

 

 

.... but he didn't mention the rest.

 

 

 

Actually Jonathan, Tom Jones refers to precisely this problem in a early draft of a fourth verse, which was eventually dropped from the song before its release:

 

It’s not unusual to make noise on any run

It’s not unusual to run back as well as front

But when I hear a different noise on any run

It’s not unusual to see me cry

I wanna die…

 

 

 

 

Edited February 7 by Chas Levin

[jwealleans]

Not long before Christmas, I saw a new kit advertised for the Lancs & Yorks 30 ton swivel bogie van.   An unusual prototype and not one I've seen models of before, other than a very nice scratchbuilt example in 7mm by Rob Pulham.   It doesn't seem to have been advertised on here.  Anyway, being a sucker for a new wagon, I ordered one but it came just too late to be included in the Christmas buildfest.    I started it on Sunday and declared it finished last night.

 

 

It went together nicely - a little bit of fettling, but most of it fitted first time.   I have to say I don't like the basic design, which ends up with you creating a sealed box.   I like to be able to disassemble things in a non-destructive manner and if I made another, which is unlikely, I'd build it so either floor or roof unbolted.   Other than that there's very little to criticise here.   This is what came out of the box: I've started to add a few extra details (door pin chains - they were festooned with them) and there are one of two more to add - there's no apparent latching mechanism at the bottom of the doors, while there's a quite prominent fastening there on the pictures I have  - and then whatever else I spot before it's primed.

 

While we're on the L & Y I've had this pair of incomplete timber trucks for ages, missing bolsters and brake gear.   Bolsters I made from some Parkside spares last year and then on Sunday that top man Andrew Hartshorne brought some brake gear along to Doncaster for me.   The kit is still available from him.

 

 

Speaking of top men, Chris Mead of Overlord fame made me some new bogies for the Flatrol ELL I started at Warley.   I decided the originals were too basic and then discovered that Chris had done a 3D print for the whole wagon, which would have been a much better starting point.    We spoke before Christmas and then met up at Pontefract a couple of weeks ago.

 

 

I'm still short two wheelsets for this which I'll have to acquire at York as Doncaster came up short on that front.   You can see the incredible difference in detail between the new bogies and the supplied one.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 14 by jwealleans

[41516]

youtube link

13 hours ago, jwealleans said:

An unusual prototype and not one I've seen models of before

 

There's at least one in 4mm about on one of the L&Y exhibition layouts doing the rounds (can't remember the name...) -  it stood out as I'm in the process of having a stab at the earlier single door diagram (45) using two Hornby Kelloggs vans* as a starting point for 'as close as' model using those as a base. 

 

Dia 45 chosen out of the two bogie vans as there was less to go wrong with scribing new sides!

 

WIP below, with much tidying up still to do.

 

 

(roof beam looks wobbily where the white plastic blends with the background)

 

*see the Hornby LWB van thread

 

 

EDIT - Layout is Eastwood in P4.  See van from 5.40 on this Youtube link

Edited February 14 by 41516
hyperlink

[jwealleans]

Here's Rob's, taken in 2013 at (I think) Wakefield Show.   The loco is also scratchbuilt.  Seen in the slightly unusual surroundings of rural Essex.

 

[jwealleans]

Well here we are two months in to a new year and I seem to have spent most of my modelling time building LMS wagons.   There has been a small amount of LNER activity, though:

 

Almost certainly my best buy of the year even if it was in January.   Visiting Pontefract show on the Sunday, I spied a NuCast O2 box on the club stand for £70.   Not a bad price, looked quite well made but was at the back of the table and I didn't really need one..... I thought 'probably worth it just for the wheels - I'll see whether it's there when i get back'.    By about 3pm and getting ready to go, I wandered back to the stand having forgotten about it and saw the box still there.   I picked it up for a better look and found, not an O2 but a really nice looking O1 conversion.   After that it wasn't leaving my grasp, money changed hands and home it came.   It's been very well done, nice big Pitman motor, runs very well on the bench (the test track is dismantled at the moment) and I'm looking forward to testing it on Grantham.

  

 

I had a lettering session through the week and the Flat T is now ready for weathering.

 

 

In case anyone isn't aware, Ian MacDonald has just announced a brass kit for this wagon, which was also built by the LMS and BR.   If anyone's thinking of trying a brass kit, I can't recommend Ian's highly enough.    

 

Just before Christmas I acquired an ABS Bolrecs (warwell) kit on Ebay, from Chas Levin of this parish as it turned out.   I put that together over the holiday and it will go into the pipe train on Wickham Market when complete.  I can see I need to reinstate part of the queen post casting I managed to damage.

 

 

Finally I've started putting together another Graeme King Conflat V to carry one of the steel containers I had printed last year.   

 

 

At Doncaster Show, Brian at 247 Developments kindly gave me a set of 6 containers which they have just introduced.   Most are LMS, but there is one GWR and an LNER ventilated steel BL in the set and he did say that these are available individually by order.   They're priced at £4 each.

 

[attachment=0]247_containers.jpg[/attachment]

 

Some LMS maroon to finish; the horsebox I was gifted by Jesse last year is now complete and ready for weathering, as is the Caley Coaches CCT.  

 

 

[Compound2632]

1 hour ago, jwealleans said:

Well here we are two months in to a new year and I seem to have spent most of my modelling time building LMS wagons. 

 

As is only right and proper for the preservation of balance and artistic unity.

[65179]

Are the containers prints of Sascha Freudenberg's designs Jonathan?

 

Simon

[jwealleans]

They're not, Simon, these are 247's own.   I asked the same question as I know they were aware of Sascha's work.   The only overlap as far as I can see is the LNER BL.  

 

I'm looking into lettering and also wagons for the LMS diagrams but would be very happy to be beaten to it.   I did ask Mr. Cambrian Models at Warley whether he still had the tooling for the container underframe which they used to do, but it hasn't made it's way to him.   There's an opportunity there for someone, I'm sure.

[65179]

30 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

They're not, Simon, these are 247's own.   I asked the same question as I know they were aware of Sascha's work.   The only overlap as far as I can see is the LNER BL.  

 

I'm looking into lettering and also wagons for the LMS diagrams but would be very happy to be beaten to it.   I did ask Mr. Cambrian Models at Warley whether he still had the tooling for the container underframe which they used to do, but it hasn't made it's way to him.   There's an opportunity there for someone, I'm sure.

 

Interesting.  No, a very quick glance suggests Sascha has done all but the GW BX, but I haven't checked diagrams. Sascha's are print your own and primarily for N anyway. 

 

Here's a link to Printables for some of his LMS ones: https://www.printables.com/model/407423-oit-lms-brbm-type-containers-1-148/files

 

Decal file in there too. Someone else was looking into getting some transfers done for the refrigerated containers, but I've not heard anything on that front for a while.

 

Simon