Clearwater Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Dangerously far off topic, but, the question didn't specify that it had to be an accurate model! After all, the other model mentioned was GW 101! I would love a straight framed Saint. Is not Lady of Legend to be Straight framed? It would be marvellous if Bachmann or Rapido were commissioned to make a model of her! Subject to having my knuckles rapped by the mods, I've always found "topic" to be predominantly an advisory aspiration! Pics below of the Lady taken on Castle's excellent RmWeb tour of Didcot last summer. Definitely straight framed. If manufacturers had a strategy, they'd be looking for model to be available when the real thing is also ready! David Edited December 12, 2016 by Clearwater 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Back on topic, here's 'only one step' 1451 at Exeter: 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Really ? I am a bit lost here ! You mean they cannot produce a model unless they have a prototype to scan ? No, I'm not saying it cannot be done. I'm just saying it helps to have the real thing if the real thing still exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 How common was packing of buffer stocks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Where was the ATC shoe on these locos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2016 Where was the ATC shoe on these locos? On its ATC foot... ...sorry, I know, groan, but I couldn't resist... grabs coat etc.. ...it's nearly Christmas... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ok not strictly GW but certainly in essence - the D600 Warships - none to scan, dies being cut by DJM's factory. True but the models are taking a long time to produce. There may be other reasons, of course, but going by the length of time taken by these, the Bulleid diesels and the 21/29s, it doesn’t seem to be a simple matter to research these older types with no example preserved. On the other hand, we have no idea how long Heljan took to research its “oddballs”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Scan or no scan, it's a mine field. Scan a preserved loco and inadvertently in corporate post preservation mods. Go off original drawings and miss in service mods, build an accurate model of D601 in service and someone will pop here with a previously unseen picture of d602 with a different mod, etc etc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Scan or no scan, it's a mine field. Scan a preserved loco and inadvertently in corporate post preservation mods. Go off original drawings and miss in service mods, build an accurate model of D601 in service and someone will pop here with a previously unseen picture of d602 with a different mod, etc etc That is probably why it can sometimes be a benefit for the manufacturers to work with the forums and enthusiasts, simply because of how much it can expand the research net prior to tooling kick-off. P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Scan or no scan, it's a mine field. Scan a preserved loco and inadvertently in corporate post preservation mods. Go off original drawings and miss in service mods, build an accurate model of D601 in service and someone will pop here with a previously unseen picture of d602 with a different mod, etc etc I can enlarge on Clearwaters sensible words. In a nutshell, kit-builders have been aware of this for decades, which is why the old maxim was, when building a loco, work off photos of the loco you wish to model at a particular period. RTR manufacturers, be they producing models in plastic or brass, can only ever give buyers a typical loco and the rest is up to us. Now it is pretty obvious at this point that this is where RTR-dependant who wants everything done for him comes unstuck. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 More oddities - 1464's extended lubricator pipe cover, and 1404's very strange topfeed: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2016 More oddities - 1464's extended lubricator pipe cover, and 1404's very strange topfeed: Interesting, well spotted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Hattons Dave Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hi all,To cover a few points that have been discussed over the last few days. Bunker steps. Contrary to what has been discussed, it would have been a lot more than 'another cab side' to include these. The tooling currently has four different cabs to accommodate differences with top feed connections etc and another two (at least, depending on which locomotives you choose) to accomodate the 'as built' version. During the R&D stage we discussed the inclusion and omission of a number of detail options (including some of the others highlighted above) however once tooling options are added the production cost shoots up dramatically and we have to make a decision on what to include. With bunker-fitted steps fitted to examples of all the liveries we wanted to portray, we chose to not include a stepless model to reduce the production cost and therefore retail cost. As said a few months back, in a perfect world we'd personally love to create every minor variation and example in every project we do but we have to balance our modeller heads with commercial heads, although we do understand that this can cause some disappointment. For reference, we didn't laser scan the 14xx. Our research has involved (but not limited to!) a full measurement and photo survey of No.1466 at Didcot with contributions from the three other surviving locomotives, as well as drawings and hundreds of archive photographs and not forgetting the contributions made by users on here (and 3rd party support elsewhere). As a volunteer on a heritage railway vehicle restoration myself, we're aware of the various pitfalls that can be in place with works modifications, unofficial 'bodges' and post-preservation amendments which can individualise pretty much every loco, coach or wagon of the same type so we're eagle eyed on watching out for such occurrences. Regarding release, we've had confirmation that the first two should leave China on Friday and will be air freighted to the UK which should take around a week. These releases will be H1404 and H1409. The remaining models will then arrive with us in two batches early in the New Year and as soon as dates arrive, I'll ensure they're available on here. The first batch will be the remaining clean locomotives, with the weathered examples following these. Ahead of the main batch, we've had a couple of the production run of the first two locos sent through, which are currently clocking up the miles on my desktop rolling road - but not before putting them through our photo studio... Cheers,Dave 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGV Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Thanks very much for your update Dave. I do not think that they look too shabby ... in fact, I think they are rather wonderful and well worth the wait. It looks like Santa will be bringing me a nice pressie around Xmas! Edited December 12, 2016 by KGV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ahead of the main batch, we've had a couple of the production run of the first two locos sent through, which are currently clocking up the miles on my desktop rolling road - but not before putting them through our photo studio... Cheers, Dave Can you give one to Andy York as he knows someone with a scenic rolling road to test one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Next week!!? Oh my wallet hurts...... Edit: need to drop some big hints to Santa! Edited December 12, 2016 by sp1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Dare we mutter in low baited breath that now what we are in dire need of are suitable current standard RTR (or plastic kit) GWR pre 1948 Auto-coaches and B Sets for these handsome beasts to push and pull on sundry branch layouts and even occasional mainline excursions. My last old Airfix/Hornby autocoach took a dive off the end of the track on Little Brixham many years ago and smashed into the road up to the station from the fish dock (actually the floor and it broke into an unrepairable pile of parts.) Edited December 12, 2016 by autocoach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Dare we mutter in low baited breath that now what we in need of are suitable RTR (or plastic kit) GWR pre 1948 Auto-coaches and B Sets for these handsome beasts to push and pull on sundry branch layouts and even occasional mainline excursions. A30 (Airfix/Hornby), and E140 (Airfix/Hornby/Mainline) respectively. I think an 0-4-2T plus B-set combination was uncommon/rare. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 A30 (Airfix/Hornby), and E140 (Airfix/Hornby/Mainline) respectively. I think an 0-4-2T plus B-set combination was uncommon/rare. 5816 with B-set marked 'Llanfyllyn Branch and Oswestry' 5th August 1935. 4812 with B-set unmarked (wartime brown) same service 26th August 1946. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted December 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2016 A question for Hatton's Dave Firstly thank you for all your updates. They are much appreciated and I for one admire your patience! Will a Lenz 6 pin direct decoder 10311 be suitable for these locos? Secondly if they are, will I be able to buy them from you guys ( as I have many times in the past)......your current stock of Lenz products is a little underwhelming. Kind regards John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted December 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) More oddities - 1464's extended lubricator pipe cover, and 1404's very strange topfeed: 1464-extended-lubricator-cover.PNG 1404-strange-topfeed.png The extended lubricator pipe cover on 1464 would most likely be a bodge job. Someone drilled the holes for the lubricator in the wrong place, and the extended cover is the visible result. I'd reckon that that cover only lasted as long as the smokebox wrapper. Once the smokebox was parted from the front tubeplate ring, then a set of pipes conforming to the drawing would most likely be made. The photograph shows up an anomaly which would only have existed for some 7 years or so, due to boiler changes, etc. Ian. Edit. Now I've looked at that photo again, I can see how it came to pass. The lubricator pipe hole has been drilled opposite it's intended position. In other words, the hole was drilled on the left side, instead of the right side. to get over this, the smokebox has been fitted back to front, and the pipes extended to suit. That's a crafty 'get-out-of-jail' card. A smokebox wrapper is just a sheet of steel, and the front tubeplate, along with the door front, go to make up the other major structural components of the smokebox proper. Edited December 13, 2016 by tomparryharry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 But it could still suit someones timeline, so is quite feasible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted December 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 13, 2016 But it could still suit someones timeline, so is quite feasible. Oh yes! That's the beauty of modelling as we do. You can have a period where your layout features such anomalies, and is absolutely correct. Where we sometimes go wrong, is to latch onto a photo, and pronounce that the entire class of loco should look like such-and-such, based upon a photo of someone's cock-up! Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B15nac Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 They must have film of them running? Regards Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Sadly another error, though maybe not actually a design error. The cab's vertical handrails are protroding through the ends of the knobs. Why? Can't say I've ever seen that arrangement on Great Western engines, but I stand to be corrected. That's going to have to be corrected when I get mine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now