RMweb Premium Chamby Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2018 From reading the thread the rails aren't as firmly held in the chairs as the flat bottom rail to it's mounts so that may help explain it? And perhaps the pack is designed to be a one size fits all for later additions to avoid having multiple pack sizes? oh I have no doubt that there were lots of seemingly sensible reasons behind the change. But these are all very short sighted. You have to follow the thinking all the way through... the life of a plastic pack doesn’t just end when the customer receives their product, it goes on, and on, and on. The peco plactic packaging is made of PET - the same stuff that is used widely for plastic bottles... which despite its suitability for recycling is emerging as one of the worst contributors to plastic pollution. And remember that even when recycled, this doesn’t make the stuff go away... it just becomes another plastic product that also needs recycling. Ad infinitum! Old fashioned cardboard is just so much more sensible. Rant over. Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Give or send the preferably un-scratched empty packets to you nearest prolific builder of model coaches, buildings or similar, to be cut up with minimal waste and used as glazing? Or find some other penny-pinching re-user of materials out there to gratefully receive the clear plastic. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2018 I agree cardboard would be a better environmentally friendly method, but it was just my thoughts on the possible reasoning behind it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2018 Give or send the preferably un-scratched empty packets to you nearest prolific builder of model coaches, buildings or similar, to be cut up with minimal waste and used as glazing? Or find some other penny-pinching re-user of materials out there to gratefully receive the clear plastic. That is exactly what I do... I am hanging onto it for platform canopy glazing... scratches and all. But nationally, I bet a lot of it simply ends up in the bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 oh I have no doubt that there were lots of seemingly sensible reasons behind the change. But these are all very short sighted. You have to follow the thinking all the way through... the life of a plastic pack doesn’t just end when the customer receives their product, it goes on, and on, and on. The peco plactic packaging is made of PET - the same stuff that is used widely for plastic bottles... which despite its suitability for recycling is emerging as one of the worst contributors to plastic pollution. And remember that even when recycled, this doesn’t make the stuff go away... it just becomes another plastic product that also needs recycling. Ad infinitum! Old fashioned cardboard is just so much more sensible. Consumers today want to see what they are buying (particularly if they haven't bought the product previously), cardboard prevents that unless the product is opened and handled - and consumers don't want to buy opened products. Also, sealed plastic is preferred by retailers for theft prevention - cardboard can easily be opened and the item removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2018 There's a hell of a lot more plastic used in the actual trackwork than the packaging. I can think of loads of uses for the Pecoplassi wrapping. However I am hoping that some time soon the packaging on MR stuff will be edible. Phil Yerbelly 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2018 Consumers today want to see what they are buying (particularly if they haven't bought the product previously), cardboard prevents that unless the product is opened and handled - and consumers don't want to buy opened products. Also, sealed plastic is preferred by retailers for theft prevention - cardboard can easily be opened and the item removed. Almost exactly what I was in the middle of typing, only better put... Thanks Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_man Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Consumers today want to see what they are buying (particularly if they haven't bought the product previously), cardboard prevents that unless the product is opened and handled - and consumers don't want to buy opened products. Also, sealed plastic is preferred by retailers for theft prevention - cardboard can easily be opened and the item removed. I don't disagree with the benefits of plastic - but why is the packaging so much bigger than it really needs to be? It is a full 4" longer than the turnout and 2" longer than the Code 100 equivalent. This requires extra space for storage and extra cost for shipping as the plastic packaging is also a lot heavier than the old cardboard. Steve Model Railway Imports Canada Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2018 There's a hell of a lot more plastic used in the actual trackwork than the packaging. I can think of loads of uses for the Pecoplassi wrapping. However I am hoping that some time soon the packaging on MR stuff will be edible. Phil Yerbelly Well there is edible underwear, so why not edible points? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Consumers today want to see what they are buying (particularly if they haven't bought the product previously), cardboard prevents that unless the product is opened and handled - and consumers don't want to buy opened products. Also, sealed plastic is preferred by retailers for theft prevention - cardboard can easily be opened and the item removed. Um... don't code 75/100 come in cardboard boxes now? Edit to say I haven't seen any peco points for a long while, they certainly used to come on boxes when I were a lad. Edited January 25, 2018 by Tim Dubya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't disagree with the benefits of plastic - but why is the packaging so much bigger than it really needs to be? It is a full 4" longer than the turnout and 2" longer than the Code 100 equivalent. More space on the back to explain Unifrogs and provide wiring diagrams? Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't disagree with the benefits of plastic - but why is the packaging so much bigger than it really needs to be? It is a full 4" longer than the turnout and 2" longer than the Code 100 equivalent. This requires extra space for storage and extra cost for shipping as the plastic packaging is also a lot heavier than the old cardboard. Steve Model Railway Imports Canada Ready for an extra large radius point? Or a sensible radius three way point? It does look to me like forward thinking. A couple of coppers on surplus material per unit is more than recovered when you only need to order and stock one size pack rather than several. As an up market premium product they seem to want to make an impression with the display. Bernard 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) we are all obviously happy if the only thing we can complain about is the packaging come on PECO where are the 00-SF points and what about P4 ? sheesh Edited January 25, 2018 by Junctionmad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
31B Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'm definitely happy. Peco will be getting some more of my money when the new additions to the range are released. My layout design was anticipating them also releasing crossings, slips, the medium and curved turnouts. If they follow through on the latest announcements then I should have everything I need in lovely bullhead rail, so I'm a happy boy. ☺️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faa77 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Have Peco announced what are the next releases in this series? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2018 Have Peco announced what are the next releases in this series? http://www.rmweb.co....29#entry3013137 The text mentions medium radius and curved turnouts after the slips. Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfsboy Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Well there is edible underwear, so why not edible points? Only in Japan and then only used ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Only in Japan and then only used ...... A little too much information, oriental viewer! Edited January 27, 2018 by tomparryharry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterfgf Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Have Peco announced what are the next releases in this series? I emailed Peco last week. They said that there would be something to announce in mid-February, but it looks as though we already have the gist of what will be announced. Well done Peco with this track and the Unifrog configuration. Unifrog is the way to go, especially if you use DCC. I've already done proving / gauging tests on what will run through the points (switches) and I am very pleased with the result. Most of my old stuff (which I should have disposed of years ago), and certainly anything I bought after 1985, will run through quite happily. The only exceptions were an old Lima LMS parcels parcels bogie van and the tender of an old Hornby A3 (funnily enough the loco was fine) which bumped slightly on top of the chairs. I can re-wheel these minor cases if I can be bothered. (There was a recent article on this site about upgrading the Lima van, which is why I dug it out and tested it). As an aside, the Tillig code 83 points and flexible track and C&L flexible track all passed my gauging tests. Tillig were on my short list before Peco produced Code 75 bullhead track and points and may still be used if necessary (if Peco don't manufacture all the other switches and crossings quick enough). I plan to use Peco Code 75 bullhead for for my next layout. I just wish they had produced it sooner. Peterfgf Edited January 27, 2018 by peterfgf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted January 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2018 I plan to use Peco Code 75 bullhead for for my next layout. I just wish they had produced it sooner. Yes - me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Last time I looked yes the points come in cardboard boxes. Nicely tucked into a plastic tray inside said box. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chamby Posted January 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2018 I emailed Peco last week. They said that there would be something to announce in mid-February, but it looks as though we already have the gist of what will be announced. Well done Peco with this track and the Unifrog configuration. Unifrog is the way to go, especially if you use DCC. I've already done proving / gauging tests on what will run through the points (switches) and I am very pleased with the result. Most of my old stuff (which I should have disposed of years ago), and certainly anything I bought after 1985, will run through quite happily. The only exceptions were an old Lima LMS parcels parcels bogie van and the tender of an old Hornby A3 (funnily enough the loco was fine) which bumped slightly on top of the chairs. I can re-wheel these minor cases if I can be bothered. (There was a recent article on this site about upgrading the Lima van, which is why I dug it out and tested it). As an aside, the Tillig code 83 points and flexible track and C&L flexible track all passed my gauging tests. Tillig were on my short list before Peco produced Code 75 bullhead track and points and may still be used if necessary (if Peco don't manufacture all the other switches and crossings quick enough). I plan to use Peco Code 75 bullhead for for my next layout. I just wish they had produced it sooner. Peterfgf . I have had similar results Peter, with one notable exception. As early as #2 in this thread I expressed concern about the location of the railbreaks being very close to the frog, and the potential risk of shorting out. Well I have one loco that persistently does this on just one point that admittedly has been laid slightly curved. The offending loco is a Bachmann deltic - a wheel back in the leading bogie makes a momentary contact with the opposite polarity rail. It is an overcomeable problem, but the message here is that the electrical polarity tolerances are very tight indeed, and tinkering with the point geometry does therefore carry a risk. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Last time I looked yes the points come in cardboard boxes. Nicely tucked into a plastic tray inside said box. I have memories of them being in bespoke paper bags ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 The last few Code 75 points I bought came in the same packaging as the bullhead points, albeit not quite as long ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgj Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Would a Lima loco run on the bullhead track and through these new points? Thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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