Peterborough North

[davidw]

Coincidentally, it looked like Thompsons A1 Pacific 'Great Northern' curving over that viaduct at the beginning of the film. I smile at these BT films..... From building new modern steam engines to Corporate blues and a run down neglected railway in less than two decades. And all financed by cheap-day returns. It could never work. We have already seen where the freight went, and the future for most well-populated conurbations is most likely the tram.

 

It could be the A1/1 - but as a guess I'd guess an A2/3 either a Haymarket or Gateshead allocation I'd have thought.  

[S.A.C Martin]

It could be the A1/1 - but as a guess I'd guess an A2/3 either a Haymarket or Gateshead allocation I'd have thought.  

 

The first time I saw that video I put it down as an A2/3 as well - but on a second viewing I think Larry's nailed it there. Look at the slope at the front of the deflectors - it's the A1/1 all right. The A2/3 deflectors don't have that slope at the front, they are straight edged. It looks like a Pullman train of some form - the up (down? forget which way it is to London!) Queen of Scots perhaps?

[landscapes]

The first time I saw that video I put it down as an A2/3 as well - but on a second viewing I think Larry's nailed it there. Look at the slope at the front of the deflectors - it's the A1/1 all right. The A2/3 deflectors don't have that slope at the front, they are straight edged. It looks like a Pullman train of some form - the up (down? forget which way it is to London!) Queen of Scots perhaps?

Hi

 

Totally agree, definitely 60113 Great Northern.

 

Regards

 

David

[davidw]

I'll need to look again on a larger monitor

[great northern]

Afternoon all. I've been rather busy lately, so I've got a bit left behind on here. I'll catch up shortly, but first you may like to see the results of Tim's visit earlier this week. That took up Tuesday and Wednesday, and Thursday was spent on the golf course. Warm, not too windy, no rain hail or lightning. I wonder if that's why I went round in 83, seven under handicap? Enough of that, here are the results of Tim's labours. Not all of these are very recent purchases, good lord no- you know me better than that, don't you? Tim and I agree on the amount to be done between visits, so some of these have actually been with him for a while. We shall start with the big green one. This was offered to me at a good price by 2750 of this parish, and it would have been rude to say no, so here she is, now shown as another of Top Shed's finest.

Next we have a rather smaller green one. Some of you may recall my attempts to justfiy a 30E Colchester B17, and I finally succumbed to temptation. This will be my last B17 acquistion.... almost certainly.... probably anyway...  so this was really the only Footballer I could choose, given my geographical location, even though I'm not a fan. I have a photo of 61666 in this condition in Summer 1958.

You've seen this one recently, but she is now in suitably work stained condition. 64355 was an Immingham engine, so would have come down the E.Lincs line, possibly even on local passenger turns, as J11's were so well liked by enginemen that they did get used on passenger work quite often.

This one is a bit harder to justify though. I struggled to find an excuse to have one, but it is such a lovely model, and they were very much a feature of my youth. Why a second one then? I think the first one was a bit lonely all on its own. And why Marne? Well, at about the age of nine my friends broadened my spotting horizon, until then confined to Lincoln Central, by taking me down to St Mark's, where, they condescendingly explained I would see "4er's", rather than the "6er's" I was used to. So what was the first loco we saw?

All of these are posed for record purposes only, so no lamps to be seen. No problem justifying the next one, as Spital Bridge shed had plenty, and often used them on Peterborough - Leicester locals.

This one has been waiting to be paired with a suitable tender. The last one has been seen before, and I do admit was an impulse purchase. It has now been suitably toned down by Tim.

I could not get weathering powders to stick to Hornby fish vans, and nor could Richard Wilson or John Emerson when they tried at Doncaster. Tim managed it though by using airbrush and Dulcote.

And speaking of fish, can anyone identify this one? It certainly isn't a Gresley design . Indeed, it is so ugly that I suspect it can only be the work of one ET.   No, not the one from Outer Space. Or of course it may have been designed by one of those foreign chappies. Anyway, it is sitting in my fisn tank, growing alarmingly, and even the guys in the shop that sold it to me don't seem to know what it is, apart from the fact that it is definitely a catfish.

Edited February 21, 2014 by great northern

[bigwordsmith]

Yikes Gilbert - that looks like a baby now, but then crocs are only 6" long at birth!

 

Great Eastern looks rather grand - whose is she?

[Dicky W]

Glad Tim got your fish vans a bit dirty Gilbert - I did play around later and made the one we had really filthy as requested - I'll send it on...

[60027Merlin]

Gilbert

 

On checking up in my Tropical Aquarium Fishes guide it looks like a member of the species "Synodontis". There is a photo of one subspecies, namely Synodontis "angelicus" which, according to the book, is an uncommon species that is not often available on the market. The markings, colour and shape in the photo are very similar to yours and they can grow up to a maximum length of 20 centimetres. It is also described as a hardy, lively fish best kept in a dimly lit tank.

 

Hopefully this will be of assistance to you.

 

Unfortunately I have been unable to ascertain any class details, variants etc. and where they were shedded. (Nothing in the Green Books to go on.)

 

Eric

[Mallard60022]

Who weathered that fish shaped thing, 'cause I want one done like that please.........

Quack

P.S. Was it nine holes on Thursday G?

P.P.S. GE.....beautiful and that B17.....well, I'm lost for words.

[McRuss]

Hello Gilbert,

 

the catfish looks like a member of Ancistrus dolichopterus family.

 

Markus

[great northern]

Yikes Gilbert - that looks like a baby now, but then crocs are only 6" long at birth!

 

Great Eastern looks rather grand - whose is she?

Standard Bachmann, though she didn't start off as Great Eastern, which i think is the latest one Bachmann have done.

[great northern]

Who weathered that fish shaped thing, 'cause I want one done like that please.........

Quack

P.S. Was it nine holes on Thursday G?

P.P.S. GE.....beautiful and that B17.....well, I'm lost for words.

"Was it nine holes on Thursday?"   I'll set that catfish on you if you keep on like this. They have very big mouths you know, plenty big enough to swallow a duck.

[CUTLER2579]

Lead Shot,  Gilbert.

No not for weighting the fish vans,but for that Duck right up the Kyber.

As Cpl Jones used to say "they don't like it up em! Captain".    :laugh:

[Mallard60022]

I apologise for carping on about that game....I once (yes only once) did 9 holes short course in 24. Never ever got anywhere near that again. Golf gave me up in 1989 when one of my best golfing mates passed away at just 48.....very sad. 

Is that goldfish edible?

P

[coachmann]

Fish vans for common place Monkeyface Pricklebacks, Catfish and Bottom Suckers, hauled by A4 Golden Trout do doubt.  Upon my sole, there's nothing like sitting on ones perch angling for variety, I cod you not. 

Edited February 22, 2014 by coachmann

[Tony Wright]

Standard Bachmann, though she didn't start off as Great Eastern, which i think is the latest one Bachmann have done.

Standard Bachmann? 

 

Does this mean that Bachmann has at last done a roller-bearing A1? Look closely and the evidence is there - round keeps to the axleboxes on the Cartazzi truck and tender. Is there also a single mechanical lubricator on the nearside? 

 

Since the lastest Bachmann A1 I photographed had none of these things, it looks like someone has done a bit of extra work. Tom or Tim? 

 

It looks very good.

[Timara]

Hi Tony,

 

Thank you for the compliment.  The roller bearings were made from 20 thou black plasticard using a leather punch.  I added them on the fronts of the original axleboxes after filing them flat.  While I was at it, I did those on 60156.

 

Cheers,

 

Tim

[great northern]

Standard Bachmann? 

 

Does this mean that Bachmann has at last done a roller-bearing A1? Look closely and the evidence is there - round keeps to the axleboxes on the Cartazzi truck and tender. Is there also a single mechanical lubricator on the nearside? 

 

Since the lastest Bachmann A1 I photographed had none of these things, it looks like someone has done a bit of extra work. Tom or Tim? 

 

It looks very good.

Thanks Tony. I do heed your advice, you see. There are now a lot more A4's with the correct incorrect sixes too. A3's next!

[Tony Wright]

Thanks Tony. I do heed your advice, you see. There are now a lot more A4's with the correct incorrect sixes too. A3's next!

I'm sure you've done all the research you need with regard to the A3s' front numberplates. However, of possible interest is that I've discovered that the following had the incorrect style to start off with and latterly got the correct style. One might reasonably expect that this was coincidental with their receipt of double chimneys, but this is not always the case. If you have any of the following, they'll probably need the correct style, but not exclusively necessarily for 1958. You need about a dozen or so books from Irwell, Ian Allan, the RCTS, Yeadon, Book Law and as many individual shots as you can muster.

 

They are - 35, 48, 52, 53, 58(?), 59 (wrong with both single, and double chimney to begin with), 68, 87, 88, 94, 110.

 

I'm sure you've also done the research with regard to the post-Gresley Pacifics' front plates. Just as a guide, for 1958, with the exception of 60515 (which changed in '58) and 60119 (which never did), all your Thompson/Peppercorn Pacifics should have correct plates.

 

I hope this helps, though I'm sure you know. 

Edited February 23, 2014 by Tony Wright

[great northern]

Having spent most of the morning trying to unravel the complexities of Pullman cars, I retreated to the railway room, and here are a few more happenings.

I do like this view. Any train framed by that canopy looks good, but if a B17 is involved, that is even better. Here is 61630, transferred to March from Stratford in July 1958 and withdrawn a month later. The Shedmaster seems to have worked out the condition of the engine pretty quickly, and she has been given nothing more onerous than the East shuttle.

Passengers anticipating a ride in the new form of traction on the 6.20pm to Boston will be disappointed, as the rostered DMU failed, and has been hurriedly replaced by this scratch formation. I'm not having a dig at DMU's by the way - it really did fail. No response at all, and so far I can't work out why.

Another elderly 0.6.0 on the Up side, working wrong line from South Yard to New England with a few wagons.

Lovely little engines deserve a close up shot.

GCR and GNR versions of the classic 0.6.0 side by side, as the J6 passes the platform mounted signal that allows this movement.

 

And now for yet another attempt to get my back sorted out.

 

[jwealleans]

Picture 4. Definite wallpaper material.

[landscapes]

Hi Gilbert

 

Agree with last comment, picture 4 great photo and weathering on the loco.

 

Regards

 

David

[New Haven Neil]

Yes, the J6 and J11 are up there with the N5 in my books!

 

Lovely photos Gilbert, the J6 one in particular, an unusual view and very nice indeed.

[great northern]

Picture 4. Definite wallpaper material.

Sorry Jonathan, I'm a bit confused. I didn't know that any locos were wallpapered? Wouldn't the heat from the boiler ruin it? Back to researching Pullmans.

[micklner]

Sorry Jonathan, I'm a bit confused. I didn't know that any locos were wallpapered? Wouldn't the heat from the boiler ruin it? Back to researching Pullmans.

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