Bakewell - Peak District Line BR - Layout Views

[Jock67B]

Al,

Love the B/W pics, somehow adds to the realism!

Kin regards,

Jock.

[westerhamstation]

Hi Al, I am sorry that the miscreants have visited you at night, and what a journey they had to get there. Rest assured that Inspector Kipper of the yard, wants to catch them, especially after his talking to last night by the Toff. must run I just heard a police whistle.

[Alister_G]

Well, after all the excitement, I needed to calm myself down with a bit of modelling.

 

I mentioned some time back that I was going to try and convert one of the Hachette SKs into an SO, so I've made a start.

 

Here's the original interior of the SK:

 

 

and here's the beginnings of the new interior, a piece of 20thou plasticard cut to size:

 

 

The first bit of modelling, the toilet cubicles:

 

 

 

Here's two failed attempts at the internal partitions, they're tricky to cut out thin enough without breaking:

 

 

The first row of seats:

 

 

 

 

That's as far as i've got, more tomorrow.

 

Al.

[freebs]

Looking good so far Al. What are you using as reference for the seat shapes?

[Alister_G]

Looking good so far Al. What are you using as reference for the seat shapes?

 

Ah, I'm glad you asked... It's an amazing tool, look:

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Br+Mk1+SO+interiors&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=aqS_U73RK8u1PffPgJgH&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=913

 

[freebs]

Ah - Yes well er...

 

OK, coaches aren't really my thing- I wouldn't know a Lavatory Corridor Brake Second Restaurant Driving  from a Mark 3 Ford Escort Composite Third if they hit me in the face with one...

 

will you be getting some of these then?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peco-Kitmaster-3Nr-BR-Mk1-Coach-interior-kits-14-15-corridor-open-brake-second-/370946982387

[Alister_G]

Ah - Yes well er...

 

OK, coaches aren't really my thing- I wouldn't know a Lavatory Corridor Brake Second Restaurant Driving  from a Mark 3 Ford Escort Composite Third if they hit me in the face with one...

They weren't mine either, six months ago, but believe me, you will soon be able to spot a BSK from a BF at a thousand yards...

 

(You may be able to spot a BF already)

 

will you be getting some of these then?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peco-Kitmaster-3Nr-BR-Mk1-Coach-interior-kits-14-15-corridor-open-brake-second-/370946982387

No, but nice idea,

 

Cheers

 

Al.

[Jaz]

i want to know that u plan to make a good job of the cushions....not too hard not too soft......the odd cigarette burn....and coffee stain...........racks.......with left luggage......

hang on while i go get my note pad......to take notes

[Sasquatch]

So not a TSO just a SO. Beware the roof vents and the square wash basins with the chrome taps!

I used to think it was strange that the TSO didn't have tables like the SO thinking the "T" should have stood for tables. Logical right?

[Alister_G]

I didn't get round to posting these last night, but here's the progress on the SO interior.

 

I cut a double seat side out of the 20thou sheet, and then using that as a template, cut a long strip to the correct height, and began to mark it up to cut lots more:

 

 

To maximise use of the strip, I alternated them upside down and right way up:

 

 

Once I'd finished marking them all out, I began cutting them into the individual pieces:

 

 

I cut them so that they would be slightly oversize, so I can trim them down whilst assembling the seats.

 

I used the floor to work out the layout and spacing, and therefore how many I would need

 

 

Finally - a long time later, I had all I required:

 

 

I then built the first set of intermediate seats:

 

 

 

That's as far as I got, so lots more to do this evening.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

Edited July 12, 2014 by acg_mr

[Alister_G]

A quick post to bring you up to date with where I've got to with the SO coach interior.

 

Firstly, here's a detailed breakdown of how each individual double seat section is made.

 

You saw above how I cut out the side profiles, so starting with those, I cut a strip of 20thou plasticard to the right width, and then used two of the end profiles to cut off the required length:

 

 

Then, I cut the other required pieces, the seat backs, footboards and spacer for the backs:

 

 

The seat base and footboards were stuck to one end profile:

 

 

Then, the seat back was formed as a triangle using a spacer at the bottom:

 

 

and then this too was glued to the end profile:

 

 

 

Then, the other end profile is glued on:

 

 

 

It took quite a while to repeat this process sufficient times, but eventually I ran out of end profiles, which suggested I'd done enough...

 

 

I placed the floor and seats onto the frame of the coach, and sorted out the spacing - just placing them temporarily:

 

 

 

 

Then, It was time to do some painting.

 

The floor was painted in Humbrol RC416, which claims to be Pullman Cream, but comes out a pale mint green to my eyes. I though this was a suitable colour for the linoleum normally used on coach floors.

 

For the woodwork, I wanted a sort of Teak effect, so after a few experiments, I settled on a watered down mix of our old friend Humbrol No.63 Matt Sand. This seems to have turned out OK, applying it straight to the white styrene without an undercoat.

 

That's as far as I've got this evening, I've yet to put the cushions on the seats and paint them, and then do the tables.

 

Here's where I've got to:

 

 

 

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.

 

[georgeT]

Morning Al,  That would do my head in, all that cutting etc, good on you for your staying power, great results tho, are you going to put in some passengers ?

 

George

[ChrisN]

Al,

One of the advantages of pre grouping is that if you go back far enough you have 4 and six wheel coaches with compartments so you do not end up doing as many seats as you have had to.

 

Looks brilliant as ever, and again quite quickly.  It would take me weeks to do that much.

 

I think the teak effect works quite well for the interior. 

[Classsix T]

Admirable work Al. I'm worried you've put a set of seats where the central door is though?

 

C6T.

[Marcus 37]

Top work on those coach seats Al. I think you've far from murdered the Hatchettes. I think Classix T may be right though that the centre vestibule is missing. Shouldn't be to hard to correct though. can we call this a proper "Hatchette Job" LOL.

Just a quickly mate. Have you got a picture of one of your telegraph poles. I knew they looked excellent after you finished them. Just bough some of the Ratio ones for KoLW. Been putting the holes in the embankments this afternoon to place them. Just need painting. Been wondering if it's possible to add the wires.

Cheers

Marcus

[Alister_G]

Thanks all for your comments.

 

C6Tl, Marcus, you're quite right, I was so busy building the seats I forgot about the central door. I was using a photo of an SO to get the seats right, but the one I was copying doesn't have the central door, DUH!.

 

I'll fix that tonight.

 

Marcus, here's the telegraph poles:

 

 

 

I used Humbrol Dark Earth (No.29) for the wood and then went over it with a dry brush of Humbrol Dirty Black (RC401) for the tar.

 

I haven't used it yet, but I was pointed at this stuff for the wires:

 

http://www.modeljunction.info/estore/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=EZ+Line&x=0&y=0

 

It's supposed to be very good.

[Classsix T]

Rather confusingly, the Google search you linked to had images of FO coaches, 42 seats in 2+1 config no centre door as well.

 

You're after images of an SO, which also had 2+1 config but 48 seats with the centre doors.

 

Hth, C6T.

Edited July 13, 2014 by Classsix T

[Marcus 37]

Thanks all for your comments.

 

C6Tl, Marcus, you're quite right, I was so busy building the seats I forgot about the central door. I was using a photo of an SO to get the seats right, but the one I was copying doesn't have the central door, DUH!.

 

I'll fix that tonight.

 

Marcus, here's the telegraph poles:

 

layout-details001.jpg

 

layout-details004.jpg

 

I used Humbrol Dark Earth (No.29) for the wood and then went over it with a dry brush of Humbrol Dirty Black (RC401) for the tar.

 

I haven't used it yet, but I was pointed at this stuff for the wires:

 

http://www.modeljunction.info/estore/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=EZ+Line&x=0&y=0

 

It's supposed to be very good.

Thanks Al, really appreciated. I'll post some picture once mine are up.

[uax6]

Ah, Telegraph poles, another one of those small areas where I know a bit about them! Dn't forget to plant them with the arms on the London side!

 

Andy G

 

(I have scanned GPO Engineering Instructions for them somewhere if anyone wants them.....)

[Jaz]

that coach interior is starting to really look the business......thanks for all the step photography 

[Alister_G]

Ah, Telegraph poles, another one of those small areas where I know a bit about them! Dn't forget to plant them with the arms on the London side!

 

Andy G

 

(I have scanned GPO Engineering Instructions for them somewhere if anyone wants them.....)

 

Andy, I'm curious, is there a sound technical reason for having the arms London side, or is it just one of those conventions that grows up over time?

 

I can't think of a valid reason why in the event of a breakage it would make much difference?

 

Cheers,

 

Al.

[MikeHemmings]

I think if you were working on the pole on the arms side you would be facing the the direction of the on coming trains.as with the lampost access doors on street lampost today.

[uax6]

AFAIK the EI's don't mention any reason for it, but if you look at any armed pole that still exists the arms are on the London side. Mike might well be correct, but that will only work if the poles are on the UP side of the line....

 

I doubt we'll really know the answer.

 

Andy G

[Alister_G]

I think if you were working on the pole on the arms side you would be facing the the direction of the on coming trains.as with the lampost access doors on street lampost today.

 

Thanks Mike, seems a sensible idea.

[Alister_G]

A quick update on progress with the coach.

 

I've completed half the seating, although it needs some tidying and touching up.

 

I added the cushions to the seats I'd fixed so far:

 

 

 

and then continued with the rest of the first section:

 

 

 

 

I'm very busy at work, so I'm not sure when I'll get the rest done.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Al.