Kernow Models D6xx Update

[The Stationmaster]

23 minutes ago, dibber25 said:

It always puzzled me that, though the D600s were named after well-known warships, the D800s generally were not. Seems to have been a change of policy to name the later ones after less well known, but then current, warships - mostly frigates and destroyers. The D400s then returned to the 'big names' of course, with plenty of battleships and battlecruisers. More recently locomotives named after warships have carried the 'HMS', which is (pedantically) incorrect as only a ship can carry the title Her Majesty's Ship.

 

I wouldn't have thought HM Ships Active, Bulldog and Conquest were all that well known and none of those names were in use when the NBL Warships went into traffic (and hadn't been since the late 1940s).  HMS Conquest was the only one of those names to have been used on anything larger than a sloop or frigate although it had only been used on nothing larger than a Light Cruiser (which was scrapped in 1930).  'Cossack' of course had a well known WWII history and the name was currently in use on a C Class destroyer when D604 entered traffic while 'Ark Royal' was obviously both a well known and current name.

 

Of the 33 original group of Swindon built D8XX 31 carried names which had been or were currently carried by RN ships.  Of that 31 - 6 carried names which had been carried in the past by battleships (one of which was currently in the reserve fleet) and also including one name that hadn't been used on any ship since 1925; a total of 8 carried names which were in most cases in current use on aircraft carriers (some of which were in reserve) or which had been used on aircraft carriers completed since the end of WWII, 7 of those names had been previously used on battleships.  A similar sort of pattern applied to the NBL built locos with, again various battleship and aircraft carrier names appearing

 

(Apart from one I can't trace details for) Of the final group of five Swindon built D8XX only one name was currently in use,  on a shore establishment, when the locos entered traffic;  all the names had only ever been used on escort vessels 

 

 

[JSpencer]

HMS Bulldog captured the Enigma machine from U-110.

 

HMS Active, the name has been used many times. The destroyer of WWII had an interesting career, taking part in sinking 4 subs which is no easy feat.

 

HMS Conquest - nothing of note other than being hit by a 12 inch shell during the bombardment of Lowestoft and Yarmouth. HMS Conquerer might have been better being used as a Battleship name a few times. Also the nuclear sub was of the same name was 10 years away in the future though there would have been no knowledge of that at the time.

 

Surprised HMS Dreadnought did not appear until used on 50001 (LNWR Dreadnought class steam locos aside).

   

 

[adb968008]

Side track i know, but as the military has leaned away from ships and more towards air, how is it aircraft never took Names of significance ?

 

afterall there was hundreds of ship names in history, more than enough for the air force ? The US have put names on theirs, often much less serious in name..

memphis belle, enola gay etc comes to immediate mind plus UK civil aircraft have names.

 

Edited February 4, 2019 by adb968008

[dibber25]

I wonder whether the original choices of 'warship' names were dreamt up by someone on BR with a naval background or whether BR approached the Royal Navy for a list of suggestions. Presumably BR would have had a very different set of criteria from the RN. I remember, as a kid with a higher-than-average interest in Naval history, that many of the names didn't strike any chord at all. 'Cossack' was probably the one I knew best as the story of her capture of the German ship (whose name I can't now remember) and the rescue of British PoWs with the shout of "the Navy's here!" was widely touted in children's books at the time. BR, of course, had naming committees with strict criteria to which they worked. It amused me that one of the criteria for 'A1' 4-6-2 names was that there should be NO weapons of war - which makes Tornado for 60163 a rather unfortunate choice. (CJL)

Edited February 4, 2019 by dibber25

[Frond]

 

 

I think the German ship was the Altmark.

 

 

[dibber25]

2 minutes ago, Frond said:

 

 

I think the German ship was the Altmark.

 

 

Yes. Just looked it up. (CJL)

[robertcwp]

At the time the Warships were being built, and named, there were quite a few steam engines with Warship names, including Jubilee 4-6-0s such as Rodney, Howe, Hood, Barham, Anson, Collingwood, Nelson, Implacable, Resolution, Warspite, Ajax, Achilles and Repulse. There is a story of someone obtaining a copy of Janes Fighting Ships and finding names for the Warship Class, including having to find some more names beginning with Z when D866-70 were added to the orders after names had been chosen for D800-865.

[JSpencer]

1 hour ago, robertcwp said:

At the time the Warships were being built, and named, there were quite a few steam engines with Warship names, including Jubilee 4-6-0s such as Rodney, Howe, Hood, Barham, Anson, Collingwood, Nelson, Implacable, Resolution, Warspite, Ajax, Achilles and Repulse. There is a story of someone obtaining a copy of Janes Fighting Ships and finding names for the Warship Class, including having to find some more names beginning with Z when D866-70 were added to the orders after names had been chosen for D800-865.

 

Prior to WWII, Royal Navy destroyer flotillas (normally built at a rate one or two flotilla's a year) followed the alphabet (though the flotilla leader could be named out of cync).  Maybe the person naming Warship locos wanted to follow that practice. Building the locos in flotilllas, each flotilla beginning with a different letter.

 

FWIW Cossack was one of the Tribal class, a sort of reply after discovering British Destroyers were becoming mediocre (on paper) and were an exception class called super destroyers due to having twice the gun power of the previous alphabet groups. The following year introduced the J class, that was somewhat in between but a return to the alphabet. It's hull design served all classes up until the Battles and Darings.

[chris p bacon]

8 hours ago, Frond said:

 

 

I think the German ship was the Altmark.

 

 

Going OT - My Dad had a 'cruise' aboard the Altmark in 1941, not an experience he wished to repeat.

[Dvt Dweller]

On 28/01/2019 at 06:43, Phil Bullock said:

 

Seldom indeed - heres the record of the rocking horse manure!

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/132518-nbl-warships-in-s-wales/

 

Phil

 

And there is the pic of D602 at Llandrindod Wells as mentioned in the thread. I'd better get my credit card out.......

[Southernman46]

On ‎04‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 23:10, JSpencer said:

 

Prior to WWII, Royal Navy destroyer flotillas (normally built at a rate one or two flotilla's a year) followed the alphabet (though the flotilla leader could be named out of cync).  Maybe the person naming Warship locos wanted to follow that practice. Building the locos in flotilllas, each flotilla beginning with a different letter.

 

FWIW Cossack was one of the Tribal class, a sort of reply after discovering British Destroyers were becoming mediocre (on paper) and were an exception class called super destroyers due to having twice the gun power of the previous alphabet groups. The following year introduced the J class, that was somewhat in between but a return to the alphabet. It's hull design served all classes up until the Battles and Darings.

In an alternate model form ................................... awaiting conversion to 2.4GHz RC, the mast rigging needs a bit of TLC. Hope to get her in the water soon .....................

Apparently the "Navy's here" bit didn't quite happen like that but was a bit of jingoism created for the public at the time ......................... I prefer to believe that it did !

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by Southernman46
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[7013]

With the imminent arrival of the first batch

of Warships, does anyone know of sound chips being worked on?

[peterfgf]

On 04/02/2019 at 23:13, chris p bacon said:

Going OT - My Dad had a 'cruise' aboard the Altmark in 1941, not an experience he wished to repeat.

Good to hear about your dad.  My father also made the same cruise on the Altmark after making being an apprentice on the Trevanion.

Peterfgf

[Downendian]

Tracking the Al Muraykh, it's now just passed through the Suez Canal and in the Eastern Mediterranean. I've no idea if my two are on board though! 

Neil 

[The Stationmaster]

1 minute ago, Downendian said:

Tracking the Al Muraykh, it's now just passed through the Suez Canal and in the Eastern Mediterranean. I've no idea if my two are on board though! 

Neil 

Although if you look carefully you will see that its position off Port Said is actually just over 23 hours old.  Perhaps now in the North African/Mediterranean  'dead spot' for AIS just as she was for most of her voyage up the Red Sea so she can probably only be picked up on the satellite network now - and that costs money to join 

[Downendian]

Yes Mike indeed, and money I won't be spending! 

Neil 

[Baby Deltic]

Probably broke down and now running on one engine with an NBL fitter on board.

[HillsideDepot]

Kernow have just update their website with the following:

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Project update - 26th February 2019 - Production of the next two versions complete
The next two models left the factory and are now on board the vessel MOL TRUTH which is due to dock into Southampton around 4th April.  This does mean the pre-order price offer has now closed.  K2600 and K2605 are in tis second shipment with the remaining models expected to be completed soon.

 

K2600 is blue/full yellow ends while K2605 is blue/small yellow panel

[The Stationmaster]

4 hours ago, HillsideDepot said:

Kernow have just update their website with the following:

 

K2600 is blue/full yellow ends while K2605 is blue/small yellow panel

And in the meanwhile the first two are almost exactly halfway across the Bay of Biscay although ETA at So'ton has been put back to 07.00 on 01 March

[Francis deWeck]

On 08/02/2019 at 14:16, Southernman46 said:

In an alternate model form ................................... awaiting conversion to 2.4GHz RC, the mast rigging needs a bit of TLC. Hope to get her in the water soon .....................

Apparently the "Navy's here" bit didn't quite happen like that but was a bit of jingoism created for the public at the time ......................... I prefer to believe that it did !

 

Lovely, a beautiful job. Very far from my first 'Tribal', being the 1/600 Airfix 'HMS Cossack'. However, I've got two Trumpeter 'Tribal Class kits to make up for it, when I get a bit of time from the Railway and Dog Walking and so on.

 

Somewhat O/T, it is cheering to see discussion about the Grey Funnel Line, which you would think was practically invisible these days (exception being these two new carriers [which won't have enough escort ships for practicable purposes]). The poor old Hood, sent two fight a juvenile opponent, name wouldn't be allocated to any new build as I think the Admiralty's nose was severely disjointed from that action. Her companion ship, the Prince of Wales, did for the Bismarck, though gets precious little praise for her actions which were brave for a ship not fully worked up with civilians aboard. Still, that's they way things happened.

[Baby Deltic]

Speaking of RC model vessels, one of my favourite adverts back in the 80s. My Dad smoked Condor Long Cut in his pipe. Smelt lovely.

 

 

[The Stationmaster]

16 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

And in the meanwhile the first two are almost exactly halfway across the Bay of Biscay although ETA at So'ton has been put back to 07.00 on 01 March

Now a few points west of due south from Mullion but in the eastbound stream for the Channel so a long way from those who might be 'watching' on the Cornish coast (he knows who I mean).  Southampton docking time has been shoved back a few hours (presumably due to congestion on the available berths)

[boxbrownie]

12 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Now a few points west of due south from Mullion but in the eastbound stream for the Channel so a long way from those who might be 'watching' on the Cornish coast (he knows who I mean).  Southampton docking time has been shoved back a few hours (presumably due to congestion on the available berths)

 

Far too misty today at sea anyways..........cannot see more than half a mile presently offshore.

[Ian Hargrave]

So passing close to their Cornish origins and the seed of their design and manufacturing.What a marathon it has been for Kernow,passing through many a false dawn but keeping the faith always.My D601....ordered way back when but never mind that ........will be on board.I eagerly await mounting a Royal Duchy headboard on its nose and running it with a rake of chocolate and cream Mk 1’s.

 

Once again,well done CT and team.

 

 

 

[stephennicholson]

2 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said:

So passing close to their Cornish origins and the seed of their design and manufacturing.What a marathon it has been for Kernow,passing through many a false dawn but keeping the faith always.My D601....ordered way back when but never mind that ........will be on board.I eagerly await mounting a Royal Duchy headboard on its nose and running it with a rake of chocolate and cream Mk 1’s.

 

Once again,well done CT and team.

 

 

 

Likewise, but my namer is Cornish Riviera. I do have etched name plates for Ark Royal from my abortive attempt about 30 years ago to build D601. So finally i can salvage something from that misadventure. 

 

Am not a guiness drinker, but i am confident when our models arrive we will be able to say 'the best things come to those who wait'