Ben Alder Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I see from the Peco notification today that the stock and blade rails are ready bonded, something I hadn't picked up on before. This is a step forward for Peco, and will make for reliant current passage rather than relying on wiper contacts as up to now in the Streamline ranges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 It does on my layout as I only have one point! Any less and the whole thing would be rather pointless... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2017 I see from the Peco notification today that the stock and blade rails are ready bonded, something I hadn't picked up on before. This is a step forward for Peco, and will make for reliant current passage rather than relying on wiper contacts as up to now in the Streamline ranges. I wrote They won't sell, non prototype gauge, check rails too short, blades not tapered, crossing angle all wrong, don't have to make them, open the box and they work, commercial point motors fit them, no PCB to cut and I bet they will be reliable. Won't sell. I now have to list bonded stock rails and blades to my list of why they won't sell.......not more potential reliability, where's the fun in that. They won't sell. Serious head on for a few seconds. It has been commented on the fact Peco have only produced one type of point. When Peco start a new range they normally start with one type of point and expand the range, I am confident in a few years there will be a wider selection of suitable points and crossings. It was less than two years ago we were told by the handbuilding track experts that better looking 00 would never be made and never sell. I hope before I die that flatbottom track with one of the pre Pandrol clip fastenings on wooden sleepers is produced, check photos of mainline trains in the 1950s and what they are running on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2017 As the great majority of relaying has now been in flat bottom material for decades the number of sites where the plain line and S&C are in the two different sections is much less than it was, I would guess the peak for that sort of thing was probably the later 1960's, with BH - BH getting more common as you go back in time from then, and FB - FB becoming more common as you move towards the present day. Except in Mallaig, and some other places where FB is relatively uncommon (aka non -existant) even now http://abcrailwayguide.uk/images/stations/MLG/mlg-mallaig-10202-1200.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 It does on my layout as I only have one point! And it's flat bottom, welded between the bullhead lengths. Second hand from Crewe remodelling. Sorry Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) It will sell - but...will it sell to trackbuilders - or those who think we should drop OO in favour of something more prototypical will it sell to those happy with setrack/streamline - particularly those with large layouts NO -possibly not but the increase in quality of loco and stock has meant that over the years ready to plonk track has been the poor relation, the cost of a modern steam or diesel loco has increased, mass produced ready to plonk buildings have too its time for the track to have its day now. It'll massively boost the efforts of those that want to but dont have the time/inclination. provide time savings for those who have the inclination but not the time. Its a great step forward and hope it proves successful for a broader range and general trickle down improvement of our hobby, over the years to come. Edited September 29, 2017 by Russ (mines a pint) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted September 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2017 And it's flat bottom, welded between the bullhead lengths. Second hand from Crewe remodelling. Sorry Nick. Large radius code 75 and redo the sleepers with copperclad saved you 20 quid - cheers dont mention it hahaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Any less and the whole thing would be rather pointless... That's what I get told by one of my friends; I always wanted to model a prototype. My favourite locos are Duchesses & AC electrics so that would be WCML then South Hampstead seems to do nicely...a short section between Primrose Hill tunnels & Loundon Road bridge. Unfortunately this is 6 tracks with 2 over/across for the GC with no pointwork....It does have 36 points in the fiddle yard though. For a while I kept hearing "Why don''t you fit in a goods siding or something". It wouldn't be South Hampstead then would it! I will also build a small shunting layout...that will have some bullhead rail & pointwork. Edited September 30, 2017 by Pete the Elaner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I now have to list bonded stock rails and blades to my list of why they won't sell.......not more potential reliability, where's the fun in that. They won't sell. Quite right too. I'm entirely happy with my Tri-ang Standard Track. I can't understand what all the fuss is about 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 Clive, If you are going to make statements like that, please back them up with who said that and when they said it, otherwise........ Andy http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79416-ready-to-lay-oo-track-and-pointwork-moving-towards-production/#entry1251501 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79416-ready-to-lay-oo-track-and-pointwork-moving-towards-production/#entry1251501 I should have added "in this thread". I'll have to fire my lawyer now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 And it's flat bottom, welded between the bullhead lengths. Second hand from Crewe remodelling. Sorry Nick. Modellers licence Merf, so the sleeper spacing matches the track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 I should have added "in this thread". I'll have to fire my lawyer now. Why? Clive didn’t say the statement was in this thread did he? Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 30, 2017 . It has been commented on the fact Peco have only produced one type of point. Two surely? Left and right....... I'll get me coat. Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 (edited) Junctionmad, on 29 Sept 2017 - 21:02, said: one point type hardly maketh the layout Really? Every point is a Peco large radius straight. Edited September 30, 2017 by coachmann 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Clive, If you are going to make statements like that, please back them up with who said that and when they said it, otherwise........ Andy Andy I thought it was those who wanted RTR track saying no one would pay £30 for a turnout, seems there is still a bit of friction against those who like making things !!! As for they would never sell I can think of 3 other projects mentioned on here plus another from someone who does not use this site, though DCC Concepts seems to have gone quiet on their proposals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signaller69 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Except in Mallaig, and some other places where FB is relatively uncommon (aka non -existant) even now http://abcrailwayguide.uk/images/stations/MLG/mlg-mallaig-10202-1200.jpg The Thurso branch has just been re-railed with new bullhead rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry but leaving aside the question of gauge, it's still only a passing resemblance to the real thing, with only the rail possibly being of correct section but I wouldn't hold my breath on that either given what they did in 0 gauge. However, I suppose it's better than what went before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry... Hi Stephen, What are you sorry about? Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry but leaving aside the question of gauge, it's still only a passing resemblance to the real thing, with only the rail possibly being of correct section but I wouldn't hold my breath on that either given what they did in 0 gauge. However, I suppose it's better than what went before. Are you looking at the bullhead track or the FB points? Clearly Peco should hang their collective head in shame for having foisted such unrealistic products on the world's railway modellers for so long.Without it they would surely all be building their own track to P4 (or P87) standards. (irony mode off) I was looking at some newly laid track on my local line a few months ago and it struck me that that it too bore only a passing resemblance to what I think the real thing looks like- not least because the rail section seemed far too heavy. Fortunately, further down the line, there is still a bullhead double junction and that does look fairly realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Clearly Peco should hang their collective head in shame for having foisted such unrealistic products on the world's railway modellers for so long.Without it they would surely all be building their own track to P4 (or P87) standards. (irony mode off) Surely it is the other way; generations of layout builders should hang their heads in shame for buying such products for years! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Surely it is the other way; generations of layout builders should hang their heads in shame for buying such products for years! Mark Saunders Who's track did you used all those years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry but leaving aside the question of gauge, it's still only a passing resemblance to the real thing, with only the rail possibly being of correct section but I wouldn't hold my breath on that either given what they did in 0 gauge. However, I suppose it's better than what went before. Err, just a turn of phrase but of course they can't get the Flat-bottom version right either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Who's track did you used all those years? The last layout I was able to build used a mixture of Triang series three and Super Four! In the to use pile is a large amount of SMP and assorted built up point kits purchased from a friend who moved to EM. Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Russ (mines a pint) Posted September 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2017 The last layout I was able to build used a mixture of Triang series three and Super Four! In the to use pile is a large amount of SMP and assorted built up point kits purchased from a friend who moved to EM. Mark Saunders I have 'miles' of pre aqcuired EM and OO bh trackbase (mixture of exactoscale and C&L) so its unlikely I'll be buying any peco track soon. tend to do copperclad pointwork or re work and resleeper normal code 75, though looking back at coachmanns layout I'm not sure why I bother as the results look ok without? - neither copperclad handbuilt or reworking peco gives 'proper' track but it's an acceptable compromise to me, . I have 4 code 75 points still and a lifetimes supply of copperclad and rail, if the points look really good and had been nearer the £20 mark I might have been tempted in the name of time-saving and convenience, but for the time being I think i'll just keep going the same way I always have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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