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Maybe it's just me, but has anyone had issues with the body being a lot looser with the valence's on? Without them I can lift the model by the body, without the chassis just seems to fall out :scratchhead:

I agree. In fact I must be in a minority of one when my overall impression of the model, while a fantastic moulding etc, seems to have been designed around the detachable valences. They have gaps between them and between the valances and the main body, neither feature being prototypical. When fitted, some keep dropping out. My interim solution is to use double sided sticky tape and fix them to the body. Cut off the little fixing lugs from the chassis (these are plastic) and shave the standoffs in the body shell slightly. The result is an aligned set of valences as close to the body shell as possible which will stay put (and you can leave one out if you like) and a body shell which sits lower on the chassis. The door kick plate section of the body shell holds it all together. In the long term I will be gluing the valences on the body, filling the gaps and repainting the whole shooting match (6326) with railmatch blue.

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Thinking of things falling out or off I have lost one of the windscreen wipers It seems to have dropped out rather than knocked off as there is a neat hole left in the body where it was attached, which seems to have disappeared it the realms of my model railway I presume never to be seen again. I am waiting for a reply from Dapol to an email i sent a couple of weeks before Christmas to see if it's possible to get spares.

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I don't like the valances either. I spent ages trying to get them aligned with the body and they don't stay put. I will also have to look at another means of fixing them before I can commit a £125 loco to exhibition service.

 

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The issue of the valances is that they sit too high and therefore stop the body pushing all the way onto the chassis properly - and stop the body clips engaging with the chassis properly. I elongated the holes in the valances so they would sit lower down - This in turn then makes the body fit back on properly.

 

Tfn

 

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I'm now gonna throw some treacle into the finely tuned whirrings of this with another observation, one I forgot to mention last night. I have got one valence in situ (one of the red dot ones) and this, coupled MG7305's comment about the kick plates holding the body in place has me thinking it's the valences directly adjacent to the drivers doors that are the problem. I will experiment and report back.

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Before I start tinkering with mine, I've no plans to depict missing valences on my model, so can someone kindly tell me this - if I glue or otherwise permanently fix the valences in position, will this affect the 'sit' of the body on the chassis (assuming any lugs or mouldings that get in the way are removed as part of this process).

 

What I had in mind was using Mek or similar, with some 10 thou plasticard as a backing.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Edit - also - to just fit the valences without glueing etc. - does one have to remove the body from the chassis at all?

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And didnt the 43s have the best names? Lets roll them out - Panther... Superb ....Swift ..... and of course for Kirk Douglas fans ..... Viking.

 

Got to be best sellers!

 

And plenty of livery variations to chose from -

 

Late survivor in MSYP D839 Ramilles

Late repaint in to MFYP D838 Rapid

Late survivor in GSYP D845 Sprightly - also with panel variations and white cab roof

Early BFYP with brown skirts D864 Zambesi

Early BFYP with arrows both cab D843 Steadfast

Intermediate BFYP with small arrows over nameplate D847 Strongbow

Late BFYP - take your pick !

 

And wasnt there a bizarre green variant with the carriage roundel rather than the usual totem?

 

Come on Dave - you know you want to.....

 

Phil

 

D839 went BFY in May 1970 whilst D861 worked LD from LA to SDN in MSYP on 2nd Jan 1971 to go to Works for overhaul and repaint.

 

D845 was Green until December 1969 and came out in BFY on 20/02/1970.

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RED DWARF ALERT!! RED DWARF ALERT!!

 

Ok your all thinking has Dave lost what little marbles he had left? :locomotive: :jester:

 

Not at all the 'Lister' (get it?) has landed, and will be going out to stockists today.

 

For those non Dwarf fans, D1000c class 22 numbered D6320 in green with small yellow warning panel has arrived and is starting to be shipped today.

cheers

Dave

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RED DWARF ALERT!! RED DWARF ALERT!!

 

Ok your all thinking has Dave lost what little marbles he had left? :locomotive: :jester:

 

Not at all the 'Lister' (get it?) has landed, and will be going out to stockists today.

 

For those non Dwarf fans, D1000c class 22 numbered D6320 in green with small yellow warning panel has arrived and is starting to be shipped today.

cheers

Dave

Awww smeg! I must got on to me supplier and get me order changed lickerty split. Is it unnamed Dave?

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I feel the blue of the 22 isn't correct and looks completely out of place compared to other diesels.

Does anyone else see this ?

 

BR blue is such a subjective colour - the 'correct' shade varies from person to person.

 

The BR blue I remember from the 70's had a distinct green tinge to it. Early batches in the 60's faded very quickly with the sun and the chemicals in automated washing plants and even when ex-works seems to have varied. Add on to that the problems introduced by colour variations between different film stock of the period (eg Kodachrome II and Agfa CT18) and the arguments will run forever.

 

Phoenix Precision list 2 shades of BR blue - 1966-1985 and post 1985. The pre 85 shade has the green tinge to my eyes, the post 85 shade is slightly darker and is more 'blue' without the green tinge.

 

The 22's were usually so filthy that exact shade is going to be very difficult to establish unless ex-works

 

 

STEVE

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I've just had a look at my tiny sample of real WR BR blue from that period (on the edge of an NBL 'Warship' worksplate) and it does indeed have a greenish tinge at some angles - but then it was applied over the top of the previous green which could account for the tinge to some extent perhaps?

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I've just had a look at my tiny sample of real WR BR blue from that period (on the edge of an NBL 'Warship' worksplate) and it does indeed have a greenish tinge at some angles - but then it was applied over the top of the previous green which could account for the tinge to some extent perhaps?

 

This is the colour I remember

 

http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream

 

http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream

 

and yet, from just over 18 months earlier, in autumn sunshine this time and on Kodak print film as opposed to Agfa transparencies, this looks much more blue

 

http://www.railpictu...198464&nseq=207

 

STEVE

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This is the colour I remember

 

http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream

 

http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream

 

and yet, from just over 18 months earlier, in autumn sunshine this time and on Kodak print film as opposed to Agfa transparencies, this looks much more blue

 

http://www.railpictu...198464&nseq=207

 

STEVE

The real thing doesn't quite match any of those but I'm looking at it in different lighting conditions and from a different, and closer, viewing angle. But all area lot nearer what i remember than Dapol's blue.

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This is the colour I remember...

 

Differences between the original film makes/types have already been mentioned, but do bear in mind that monitor screens and software setup can make as much, if not more difference. I looked at the three images on my PC screen and my initial thought was that you were all mad because the first two photos looked nothing like I remember. I then looked at them on my Mac and the colours were much closer to my memory.

 

By default, Mac and PC screens are calibrated quite differently, and photo colours will often appear quite different. My PC has a non-standard setup that suits me for particular tasks but the relative blue and green levels do not suit viewing these photos..

 

Nick

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With a bit of subtle weathering though, I think it could make a convincing model. But if your looking for something clean, or aren't partial to weathering your stock, it would be harder to convince next to other models

I was wondering whether the old T-Cut routine would be effective in giving it a bit of a sheen, that would then form the basis for weathering....? Who is going to be brave enough?!

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I was wondering whether the old T-Cut routine would be effective in giving it a bit of a sheen, that would then form the basis for weathering....? Who is going to be brave enough?!

Not sure if some of the finer moulding detail would survive -

Thats the thing , the bodyshell has some lovely delicate detail on it - but its lost in the matt paint finish :(

 

anyways enough moaning - heres my effort at some weathering

 

post-6893-0-31376400-1326056426.jpg

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