RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) A heads up to anyone who interested, Kernow MRC are now splitting the Bachmann Silver Jubilee sets so you can buy the Union Jack Class 47164 separately at £89.99 http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/55128/25-2014D-Bachmann-Class-47-Diesel-Locomotive-number-47-164 Edited June 3, 2016 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 A heads up to anyone who interested, Kernow MRC are now splitting the Bachmann Silver Jubilee sets so you can buy the Union Jack Class 47164 separately at £89.99 http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/55128/25-2014D-Bachmann-Class-47-Diesel-Locomotive-number-47-164 Does anyone know what years it carried this livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Check class47.co.uk. But I think it was very short lived , IE 1977 only ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Is the roof colour actually correct though? Looking at photos it doesnt look correct compared to photos of 47164. I'd agree, in June 77, it had the wrongly done Union Jack . It also had silver battery boxes and a standard Stratford grey roof it appears, not silver like the Bachmann . By October it's lost the battery box colour entirely, and got a proper flag whilst retaining the white roof. I haven't checked the Bachmann flag but logically it should be the earlier. To complicate matters further there's a pic in this livery with 0000 in the blinds, not dominos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 4, 2016 I'd agree, in June 77, it had the wrongly done Union Jack . It also had silver battery boxes and a standard Stratford grey roof it appears, not silver like the Bachmann . By October it's lost the battery box colour entirely, and got a proper flag whilst retaining the white roof. I haven't checked the Bachmann flag but logically it should be the earlier. To complicate matters further there's a pic in this livery with 0000 in the blinds, not dominos When 0O00 was displayed in the No 2 end, there is also a photo with 1N35 in the No 1 end. This did not last long; there are photos of dominoes with the incorrect Union Jack as well as the later corrected one. I haven't seen the Bachmann model in the flesh yet, but in photos the buffers look silver and the roof a different colour, more white. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 When 0O00 was displayed in the No 2 end, there is also a photo with 1N35 in the No 1 end. This did not last long; there are photos of dominoes with the incorrect Union Jack as well as the later corrected one. I haven't seen the Bachmann model in the flesh yet, but in photos the buffers look silver and the roof a different colour, more white. All the photos I've seen of the model, the roof colour is same as battery boxes - bright silver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Thanks Rob for confirming this. I'd have to see one to be 100% certain, but like you, I think it's the case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 A heads up to anyone who interested, Kernow MRC are now splitting the Bachmann Silver Jubilee sets so you can buy the Union Jack Class 47164 separately at £89.99 http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/55128/25-2014D-Bachmann-Class-47-Diesel-Locomotive-number-47-164 I got a 404 error Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 5, 2016 I got a 404 error No wonder - that's a Class 50.... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 6, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2016 I got a 404 error Sold out. After I bought mine (and posted above) there were 4 left. At that time there were 10 Jubilees available separately, so the 47 appears to have been more popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadyneman Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Just thought I'd add my twopenneth here, I seem to remember that the two "Stratford" 1977 celebrities 47 163 and 47 164 had different colour roofs, one was painted silver, the other light grey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted June 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2016 Perhaps not, by October 1977 at any rate. http://www.class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0720050071210 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) I have an odd problem with my Bachmann 32-801ds. It runs when there is no power to the track !!! I am all DCC with a Gaugemaster Q, and a HF2 track cleaner in line. No other loco mimics this behaviour on the same track. My 32-801ds has had its DCC chip replaced with a blank panel chip. I also removed the blank chip and swapped it for a new one. I am presuming somewhere there's AC from the track cleaner in the track when the controllers off / at neutral and somehow it's doing something with this...but with A blank chip surely that shouldn't be happening - certainly no other loco I have is doing this. Confused... Very much... Certainly gave me a quick wake up start to my working session this morning when I added it to the track turned on the mains and saw it speed off into the distance despite everything being off !!! Here's a picture with the shell off, I don't see anything "rewired" but don't know how it compares to "standard". Any help is appreciated failing that do I need to go to church and get divine intervention to this possessed little thing... Edited June 12, 2016 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I thought those track cleaners fried dcc chips actually - I certainly don't think they're compatible with dcc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2016 Has it somehow memorised a power setting assigned to the loco number on the chip, so as soon as current is applied to the track it moves? Try selecting that loco number on the controller, then turn the controller power on then back to zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted June 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2016 I have an odd problem with my Bachmann 32-801ds. It runs when there is no power to the track !!! I am all DCC with a Gaugemaster Q, and a HF2 track cleaner in line. Are you DC or DCC - the Gm Q is a DC analog controller. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I have an odd problem with my Bachmann 32-801ds. It runs when there is no power to the track !!! I am all DCC with a Gaugemaster Q, and a HF2 track cleaner in line... I see your Gaugemaster controller in the picture, and take that as an indication that you are using DC. Three of the direction switches are not in neutral position. Quite possible they are 'leaking' onto track, try with them all set to the mid position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Yes I am all DC. I remove Dcc chips and swap them with blank plates. This one I got via ebay, with sound removed and Dcc blank fitted, I changed it any way for another blank plate, but could there be something otherwise remaining from when it was sound fitted ? I had it coupled to an 08 it was trying to drag along, but correctly the 08 was dead. Possibly related, possibly not, but I note my Bachmann DLW dmu will sit there with lights on but not moving...when the controller is off. this I do relate to the track cleaner..if I remove the hf2 from the circuit, it's not lit up, which is what lead me to think this 47 is doing something along those lines. Edited June 12, 2016 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Stay alive? C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted June 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2016 Question...has Bachmann ever produced a 47 in WCRC livery ? I know there was a 57 special (Model Rail ?) done some time ago and that Vitrains have produced one . Now that The Collector's Club have a 37 'to go' I wondered whether a 47 might be on their minds at Barwell. They are in everyday use on charter specials and enthusiasts must see them regularly or travel behind one perhaps in top and tail mode ....Now that's a thought for marketing a pair together ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Question...has Bachmann ever produced a 47 in WCRC livery ? I know there was a 57 special (Model Rail ?) done some time ago and that Vitrains have produced one . Now that The Collector's Club have a 37 'to go' I wondered whether a 47 might be on their minds at Barwell. They are in everyday use on charter specials and enthusiasts must see them regularly or travel behind one perhaps in top and tail mode ....Now that's a thought for marketing a pair together ? Only produced by Vitrains so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The only thing left to do is disconnect the Track Cleaner. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 15, 2016 The only thing left to do is disconnect the Track Cleaner. Dave Agreed, I'm out of the country at the moment, so next playtime is weekend It's still a bizarre one. Thanks for the help so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 You need to track down the source of the traction current. Not wishing to teach you to suck eggs, but you need to start at the mains plug and work up the wiring and supply equipment until you reach the track. Somewhere in there will be a piece of equipment that is supplying the power. Good luck mate. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 19, 2016 You need to track down the source of the traction current. Not wishing to teach you to suck eggs, but you need to start at the mains plug and work up the wiring and supply equipment until you reach the track. Somewhere in there will be a piece of equipment that is supplying the power. Good luck mate. Dave. Its the track cleaner. I took it out of the circuit.. it stops. Doesn't affect any other loco, I can only assume that this loco somewhere has something taking the feed to operate it. It used to be DCC sound, but was bought as DC (DCC sound & chip removed).. somewhere in the wiring on the loco its getting power to the motor. Not sure I want to rewire it and risk losing the operating lights (they are controlled from on /off switches under the fuel tanks)..its wiring seems more complex than your average loco. For now I'll just operate it offline of the track cleaner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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