JSpencer Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 The mail arrived yesterday with a mail coach. I don't think this was ever done as a modern replica but I feel it adds something nice on the end of the train. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, JSpencer said: The mail arrived yesterday with a mail coach. I don't think this was ever done as a modern replica but I feel it adds something nice on the end of the train. Nice views of the roof... ... which prompts the thought, has anyone luggaged up and sheeted over their carriage roofs? The yellow underframe looks like laziness - what evidence is there for the livery of the mail coaches? (They were a L&B innovation, I think - or did the GJ have them first?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 32 minutes ago, JSpencer said: The mail arrived yesterday with a mail coach. I don't think this was ever done as a modern replica but I feel it adds something nice on the end of the train. I like the way that the guard has positioned the single trunk as a windbreak! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 34 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: The yellow underframe looks like laziness - what evidence is there for the livery of the mail coaches? (They were a L&B innovation, I think - or did the GJ have them first?) For the livery, only a stamp and some artists images of the time. No hint that the underframe was yellow though. But the body seems to fit well within the theme. The trunk is glued on but people can obvious add and sheet up more if they don't mind them not going back in the boxes anymore. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 I got my L&M mail coach yesterday, and am fairly happy with it. But it was only later I noticed it's missing royal cyphers and coat of arms. I'll get some decals printed up at some point as both William IV's cypher and pre-Victoria UK coat of arms are available online. And before anyone says "oh you can't trust these old illustrations" vehicles for carrying mail carried royal markings. The road stage mail coaches had them, and it carried over to the railways. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said: And before anyone says "oh you can't trust these old illustrations" Yellow underframe! And on the L&M. My apologies for doubting. Edited March 8 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just thinking out loud. The road mail coaches had a "boot", a secure compartment that the mail pouches were kept in. Perhaps the trunk was bolted to the roof as the rail equivalent. As it was right in front of the guard, he would notice if anyone tried to tamper with it... Passengers luggage would be roped and sheeted, but not the mail trunk. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Yellow underframe! And on the L&M. My apologies for doubting. To be fair there is so much conflicting info, lack of concrete info, and questionable illustrations from the time it's easy to question and doubt things. Early railways are such a minefield 😄 Edited March 8 by Fair Oak Junction 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, Fair Oak Junction said: To be fair there is so much conflicting info, lack of concrete info, and questionable illustrations from the time it's easy to question and doubt things. Early railways are such a minefield 😄 ....... and since no-one can prove it's wrong - a rare chance to please yourself! CJI. 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fair Oak Junction said: To be fair there is so much conflicting info, lack of concrete info, and questionable illustrations from the time it's easy to question and doubt things. Early railways are such a minefield 😄 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: ....... and since no-one can prove it's wrong - a rare chance to please yourself! Well, I think one has to accept statements such as: "On the currently available evidence, underframes of mail carriages were yellow" as restricting the range within which one can both please oneself and be true to the historical record. Mind you, any 1830s period model train using a combination of the currently available RTR models strains the historical evidence. 'Northumbrian' or 'Jupiter', please! (1930s or 1980s period is a different matter!) Edited March 8 by Compound2632 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted March 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8 53 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said: Oh look, it's even got a TT:120 guard 😎 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 14 minutes ago, franciswilliamwebb said: Oh look, it's even got a TT:120 guard 😎 Something of a Freudian statement of social status at that time, methinks! CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 8 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, franciswilliamwebb said: Oh look, it's even got a TT:120 guard 😎 Not so much TT:120 as just slightly further away... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Nice views of the roof... ... which prompts the thought, has anyone luggaged up and sheeted over their carriage roofs? The yellow underframe looks like laziness - what evidence is there for the livery of the mail coaches? (They were a L&B innovation, I think - or did the GJ have them first?) Liverpool and Manchester first. I believe that the stagecoaches to Manchester disappeared virtually overnight when it opened. No more having to travel very boggy and impenetrable roads such as where Chat Moss was. It went from taking a day to get to Manchester to just over an hour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_Moss Jason 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, Steamport Southport said: Liverpool and Manchester first. I believe that the stagecoaches to Manchester disappeared virtually overnight when it opened. No more having to travel very boggy and impenetrable roads such as where Chat Moss was. It went from taking a day to get to Manchester to just over an hour. I recall reading of an 1830 newspaper item about a Mancunian cotton magnate who had been to Liverpool twice in one day. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: I recall reading of an 1830 newspaper item about a Mancunian cotton magnate who had been to Liverpool twice in one day. Better than now! Went to Rainhill last week for the exhibition and the trains were atrocious. About one an hour and most of those were cancelled. Jason 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 17 hours ago, Compound2632 said: I recall reading of an 1830 newspaper item about a Mancunian cotton magnate who had been to Liverpool twice in one day. I remember that. To my mind, it is uncannily reminicent of the experiences of Concorde passengers able to travel to New York and back on the same day. Such is progress and such is regression. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drt7uk Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Hi folks...any idea where I can get hold of some more of the Hornby chain link couplings? I made the mistake of getting the 1930s coach pack...and unbelievably it doesn't come with any couplings. Been searching about 30 mins now and I can't see anyone selling them as spares. Pretty criminal really these things must cost about 1p to produce, how could they not included them in a £85 coach pack??? Screams into a pillow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 hours ago, drt7uk said: Hi folks...any idea where I can get hold of some more of the Hornby chain link couplings? Why not check with Hornby? Perhaps the couplers were accidentally missed from your pack. Roddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drt7uk Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 45 minutes ago, Roddy Angus said: Why not check with Hornby? Perhaps the couplers were accidentally missed from your pack. Roddy Don't appear to be...a number of other listings for these on various websites say they don't contain couplings. Have sent Hornby a message but given how slow they are to respond, if others know where I can buy some of these couplings (or even the proper name or code for the part), I'd be grateful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, drt7uk said: Don't appear to be...a number of other listings for these on various websites say they don't contain couplings. That is odd! I am sure that I saw mention that Hornby were going to bring out a new magnetic coupling for models in this era, it will be interesting to see if it is similar to Accurascale's for the chaldrons. Roddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drt7uk Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, Roddy Angus said: That is odd! I am sure that I saw mention that Hornby were going to bring out a new magnetic coupling for models in this era, it will be interesting to see if it is similar to Accurascale's for the chaldrons. Roddy The Accurascale ones looks great but sadly seem to be NEM only (suitable for the Rapido Lion at least but not these). I'll have a root around and see if I have an old necklace chain I can convert instead ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, drt7uk said: I'll have a root around and see if I have an old necklace chain I can convert instead ! I'd say you are better off doing that anyway. The Hornby chain couplings are a nice feature, but don't allow for any play between the stock. A rake feels very rigid. I'm certainly going to be using actual chains between mine so it gives the "pick up" effect as the train moves off. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17 26 minutes ago, Fair Oak Junction said: The Hornby chain couplings are a nice feature, but don't allow for any play between the stock. A rake feels very rigid. I'm certainly going to be using actual chains between mine so it gives the "pick up" effect as the train moves off. Was it not Henry Booth, Secretary of the L&M, who devised the first primitive screw coupling precisely to eliminate that effect? 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted March 17 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Was it not Henry Booth, Secretary of the L&M, who devised the first primitive screw coupling precisely to eliminate that effect? Yep, although not until about 1837 so for the early part of the L&MR chains are still more correct AFAIK. Edited March 17 by Fair Oak Junction 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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