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[SR71]

Need a job doing. Do it yourself! 😁

 

 

Many thanks!

 

Added to the pile but looking forward to challenge of building an 0-4-4.

Edited July 1, 2022 by SR71

[hayfield]

On 30/06/2022 at 21:09, SR71 said:

Need a job doing. Do it yourself! 😁

 

 

Many thanks!

 

Added to the pile but looking forward to challenge of building an 0-4-4.

 

Thanks for the photo, I was 95% set on buying the D3 and J class and the photo made up my mind. The 0-6-4 is quite a brute and will accompany my LMS Flatiron and LNER A5 not to forget my GWR42XX (I just love big tank locos !! ) the D3 will be more in keeping with my layout

[hayfield]

I bought both the D3 and J class kits, they arrived safely and look to be of high quality and absolutely superb value. One item arrived damaged (either through packing or during delivery) but Matt is on it. Initial thoughts are very promising.

 

 

The castings are made from good quality whitemetal, most of which are clean and crisp, a bit of flash on some needs cleaning but this is normal anyway. The etched sheets (especially the brass frames) are of decent thickness and not overly complicated. Brass axle bearings, hand rail knobs and smokebox darts are not included, in my case I have these in stock, few companies supply brass smokebox  darts, as for hand rail knobs few again supply 2 or more sizes and for those who like sprung chassis, hornblocks have to be brought anyway.

 

The chassis has provision for brass (screw) frame spacers, which may be a game changer for those who dislike soldering. Given the cost of these kits, the lack of the items are an issue, some may think a benefit. In fact this kit (and the D3) are both excellent value for money and come highly recommended

 

I look forward to building them, if they are anyway near the quality of their plastic kits I am in for a treat

 

 

[Wilton 34041]

I agree, these kits are good value, I bought the D3 and a lamprey last week and they arrived almost next day. As an experienced kit builder I'm not bothered about finding the detail parts, which as you say are becoming less easy to obtain, because I very often end up buying these anyway to replace the kit items. I'm more than happy to have a quality kit of a loco that is not available anywhere else at such a great price.

[hayfield]

50 minutes ago, Wilton 34041 said:

I agree, these kits are good value, I bought the D3 and a lamprey last week and they arrived almost next day. As an experienced kit builder I'm not bothered about finding the detail parts, which as you say are becoming less easy to obtain, because I very often end up buying these anyway to replace the kit items. I'm more than happy to have a quality kit of a loco that is not available anywhere else at such a great price.

 

 

I broadly agree with you, especially the last part, as sometimes I feel some companies do charge on the high side for some items. With Chivers Finelines I do feel customers benefit from it still being a family/cottage industry

 

I also agree with you about the additional parts required, experienced builders will probably find they have these items in their parts stash, and as you say often replace some cast parts for better quality items.

 

For the capable modeller they will know where to easily find the parts required, Wizard Models, Markits, Alan Gibson, Slaters Roxey Moulldings (and many others) all offer reliable mail order services. So these parts are in my opinion very easy to obtain. Lets face it wheels motor and gears need buying so could easily be sourced at the same time 

 

My only concern (and I have mentioned this to Matt) is the lack of guidance for novice builders as what is needed and where to buy them (this is not a complaint, simply an observation as I believe these kits are ideally suited for the novice builder

[Tim Dubya]

6 hours ago, hayfield said:

My only concern (and I have mentioned this to Matt) is the lack of guidance for novice builders as what is needed and where to buy them (this is not a complaint, simply an observation as I believe these kits are ideally suited for the novice builder

 

The scribblings of Rice are still available from Wild Swan / @Not Jeremy . 

 

https://www.titfield.co.uk/Wild-Swan/Model-Locos.htm

 

Although older than me 😉  they are just as relevant today, the suppliers may need up dating a bit?, but we have Google now.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2022 by Tim Dubya
Contemplating an ice cold lager

[hayfield]

14 hours ago, Tim Dubya said:

 

The scribblings of Rice are still available from Wild Swan / @Not Jeremy . 

 

https://www.titfield.co.uk/Wild-Swan/Model-Locos.htm

 

Although older than me 😉  they are just as relevant today, the suppliers may need up dating a bit?, but we have Google now.

 

 

 

Tim

 

A good call and one I would recommend

 

But that was not what I was referring to, for those of us who have been kit building for years there are no problems in sourcing these additional items required to finish off the kits, our knowledge has been built up over the years. Those starting out in kit building locos may need a little guidance of what to get and from where, especially as over the past few years exhibitions have been few and in some areas not happened at all, plus some traders like Wizard and Roxey have left the exhibition circuit.

 

I am of an age where I was bought up on Keyser kits, which only needed paint ang glue (early kits included transfers. Wills were out of my price range owing to the cost of additional parts.

 

Almost all kits now require wheels age gears, the extra bits ( bearings, handrail knobs and smoke box darts) are thankfully not that expensive and (if you know) are easily obtainable. To most of us, this is not an issue. I think these two kits are very suitable for the novice builder, all I am saying is a note of suppliers would be of assistance. 

[hayfield]

15 hours ago, Tim Dubya said:

 

The scribblings of Rice are still available from Wild Swan / @Not Jeremy . 

 

https://www.titfield.co.uk/Wild-Swan/Model-Locos.htm

 

Although older than me 😉  they are just as relevant today, the suppliers may need up dating a bit?, but we have Google now.

 

 

 

 

Can I also add, another great book for Southern Modellers is   " A Pictorial Record of Southern Locos"  J H Lawrence"  And they seem now to be very cheap

 

https://www.awesomebooks.com/book/9780860934431/pictorial-record-of-southern-locomotives/used?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsqW9y6_1-AIVCbrtCh2SDglrEAQYASABEgLX6vD_BwE

 

A great book whether you model pre grouping, post grouping or early BR periods

[PJT]

37 minutes ago, hayfield said:

Can I also add, another great book for Southern Modellers is   " A Pictorial Record of Southern Locos"  J H Lawrence"  And they seem now to be very cheap

 

https://www.awesomebooks.com/book/9780860934431/pictorial-record-of-southern-locomotives/used?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsqW9y6_1-AIVCbrtCh2SDglrEAQYASABEgLX6vD_BwE

 

A great book whether you model pre grouping, post grouping or early BR periods

 

Certainly agree with that.  Having bought a copy years ago when it was first published, it's a hell of a lot of useful information, in a very useable format, for only £9 secondhand.

 

Pete T.

 

[Chivers Finelines]

Although we seem like we are quite, we are burning the midnight oil working on many new projects including brand new 4mm standard gauge kits, below is a pre-production moulding, and nope we aren't telling you what it is, yet....

 

 

I'm under an intense apprenticeship with the man himself (Roger Chivers) learning everything he knows in the art of model kit manufacture. 40+ years of knowledge is a heck of a lot to absorb, 😀, but we are making progress.

 

Huge thank you to everyone of our customers who purchases our products from the kit range, we couldn't keep doing this without you. Eventually I'll get the new website finished.....but for now back to the machines!

 

Laters.

Matt.

[gwrrob]

Something that takes a pre-nationalisation livery would be great Matt.

[Chivers Finelines]

*NEW* *OUT NOW* 4mm Standard Gauge

RC440 LMS 20T Loco Coal Dia 1974 kit - £10.00 + p&p
https://www.five79.co.uk/RC440/

 

 

 

 

 

This kit is designed to make a model of the LMS Dia1974 20T
Loco Coal Wagon. Built to Diagram 1974, 350 of these wagons were built at Derby works 1945 to 1947 and lasted until the mid 1970's.

The kit requires standard wagon wheels on 26mm axles, bearings, couplers, paint & transfers to complete.

____________________________________________________________

 

The News

 

1) We are pleased to announce that we are working on many various NEW products in 4mm standard gauge. These will be new tooling.

 

2) With the demise of Photo Etch Consultants, we have decided that some of the various kits which include etch will not be brought back into production, this mainly effects the H0n30 range of locomotive kits.

 

3) We are working on new tooling so the remaining products not released from our old catalogue as of yet, will be released as and when time permits.

 

4) RC44X 12' under frame parts are due for release very soon.

 

and finally........

 

5) We are finalising the details of the new e-commerce website which is more customer friendly and doesn't require PayPal for payments. More on its launch very very soon.

 

Many Thanks, 

Matt.

[Mallard60022]

On 26/07/2022 at 16:31, The Great Huszar said:

Although we seem like we are quite, we are burning the midnight oil working on many new projects including brand new 4mm standard gauge kits, below is a pre-production moulding, and nope we aren't telling you what it is, yet....

 

 

I'm under an intense apprenticeship with the man himself (Roger Chivers) learning everything he knows in the art of model kit manufacture. 40+ years of knowledge is a heck of a lot to absorb, 😀, but we are making progress.

 

Huge thank you to everyone of our customers who purchases our products from the kit range, we couldn't keep doing this without you. Eventually I'll get the new website finished.....but for now back to the machines!

 

Laters.

Matt.

Great news. Southern Region Van(s) please. Your KIts are really good to build. Class Mouldings and well designed; thanks.

Phil

[hmrspaul]

1 hour ago, The Great Huszar said:

*NEW* *OUT NOW* 4mm Standard Gauge

RC440 LMS 20T Loco Coal Dia 1974 kit - £10.00 + p&p
https://www.five79.co.uk/RC440/

 

This kit is designed to make a model of the LMS Dia1974 20T
Loco Coal Wagon. Built to Diagram 1974, 350 of these wagons were built at Derby works 1945 to 1947 and lasted until the mid 1970's.

The kit requires standard wagon wheels on 26mm axles, bearings, couplers, paint & transfers to complete.

____________________________________________________________

 

 

Some prototype inspiration https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsmineral/e36f7de11 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsmineral/e3b8d4141 and various other photos including them in Internal use by NCB. 

 

These are an interesting wagon because, perhaps uniquely, they have a lot of protection which permits the wagon to be put on its side on the tipplers used for the large loco coal loaders that were popular on the LMS. 

 

Paul

PS Perhaps the CEGB Tipplers could use some of the parts for these wagons. Built by the same manufacturer's but lacking any doors https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbtippler

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by hmrspaul

[micklner]

1 hour ago, The Great Huszar said:

*NEW* *OUT NOW* 4mm Standard Gauge

RC440 LMS 20T Loco Coal Dia 1974 kit - £10.00 + p&p
https://www.five79.co.uk/RC440/

 

 

 

 

 

This kit is designed to make a model of the LMS Dia1974 20T
Loco Coal Wagon. Built to Diagram 1974, 350 of these wagons were built at Derby works 1945 to 1947 and lasted until the mid 1970's.

The kit requires standard wagon wheels on 26mm axles, bearings, couplers, paint & transfers to complete.

____________________________________________________________

 

The News

 

1) We are pleased to announce that we are working on many various NEW products in 4mm standard gauge. These will be new tooling.

 

2) With the demise of Photo Etch Consultants, we have decided that some of the various kits which include etch will not be brought back into production, this mainly effects the H0n30 range of locomotive kits.

 

3) We are working on new tooling so the remaining products not released from our old catalogue as of yet, will be released as and when time permits.

 

4) RC44X 12' under frame parts are due for release very soon.

 

and finally........

 

5) We are finalising the details of the new e-commerce website which is more customer friendly and doesn't require PayPal for payments. More on its launch very very soon.

 

Many Thanks, 

Matt.

Hopefully the NER/LNER  CCT's are still going to be produced ?

[Siberian Snooper]

Anything, pre grouping.

 

 

[Chivers Finelines]

5 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

 

Some prototype inspiration https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsmineral/e36f7de11 

https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsmineral/e3b8d4141 and various other photos including them in Internal use by NCB. 

 

These are an interesting wagon because, perhaps uniquely, they have a lot of protection which permits the wagon to be put on its side on the tipplers used for the large loco coal loaders that were popular on the LMS. 

 

Paul

PS Perhaps the CEGB Tipplers could use some of the parts for these wagons. Built by the same manufacturer's but lacking any doors https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cegbtippler

 

 

Very interesting! Looks like just the dia1974 without doors to me. The other looks like dia1973 without doors too!

 

Maybe a silly question, Did the CEGB wagons run on the mainline?

[Chivers Finelines]

4 hours ago, micklner said:

Hopefully the NER/LNER  CCT's are still going to be produced ?

Yes RC117, 121 & 127 are still planned to be reissued.

[Chivers Finelines]

6 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Great news. Southern Region Van(s) please. Your KIts are really good to build. Class Mouldings and well designed; thanks.

Phil

Many thanks for the kind comment.

 

Southern vans you say?! 

[hmrspaul]

2 hours ago, The Great Huszar said:

 

 

Maybe a silly question, Did the CEGB wagons run on the mainline?

All 5 of my photos are on the mainline. The place and date of photography clearly stated as always. 

 

Paul

[Mallard60022]

1 hour ago, The Great Huszar said:

Many thanks for the kind comment.

 

Southern vans you say?! 

You are welcome. I have built a large number of you Ballast Wagons during Lockdown and even lately. I just love doing them!

Yes there may be a couple of SR vans that lasted into the 60s, and are missing from the RTR/Kit market, but it would be wise to investigate over on a Specialist thread as I'm not really worthy to make a suggestion. I believe there has been some suggestion about a proper job SR Banana Van on the Forum recently. If you have time I could give you a link to the correct thread/group and you could ask the Question? It needs to be something that you would sell a good deal of of course and I understand that.

Thanks

Phil

 

[Mallard60022]

2 hours ago, The Great Huszar said:

Many thanks for the kind comment.

 

Southern vans you say?! 

Link here:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/153-southern-railway-group/

[TheSignalEngineer]

49 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said:

Yes there may be a couple of SR vans that lasted into the 60s, and are missing from the RTR/Kit market, but it would be wise to investigate over on a Specialist thread as I'm not really worthy to make a suggestion. I believe there has been some suggestion about a proper job SR Banana Van on the Forum recently.

Now I would be interested in a couple of those 

[Cwmtwrch]

9 hours ago, The Great Huszar said:

This kit is designed to make a model of the LMS Dia1974 20T

I had thought that this [and the outwardly identical D1973 - the different diagrams are for different materials] was likely to be very difficult to do as a plastic kit, so your news was very interesting, but turned out to be rather disappointing when I looked at your website. I don't know if you realised it or not, but the side stanchions are "I" beams, and the corner plates are flat to the ends, but spaced off the sides. A shame, I feel, as I too like and have built several of your kits, but, for me, this would take too much work to achieve an accurate model.

[cctransuk]

56 minutes ago, Cwmtwrch said:

I had thought that this [and the outwardly identical D1973 - the different diagrams are for different materials] was likely to be very difficult to do as a plastic kit, so your news was very interesting, but turned out to be rather disappointing when I looked at your website. I don't know if you realised it or not, but the side stanchions are "I" beams, and the corner plates are flat to the ends, but spaced off the sides. A shame, I feel, as I too like and have built several of your kits, but, for me, this would take too much work to achieve an accurate model.

 

Surely you realise that it would be nigh-on impossible to reproduce the offset flanges of the reinforcing by injection moulding?

 

I scratchbuilt this prototype years ago, and adding the reinforcing flanges to the T strapping was NOT fun, and the model is in no way robust.

 

Fortunately, I suspect that most purchasers of this kit will forgive the barely noticeable subtefuge.

 

CJI.

Edited October 3, 2022 by cctransuk