Mark 2b, By Accurascale and IRM!

[Bishdurham]

42 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Yep well done, you got him…

 

right boys its ready, lets string him up..

 

 

 

Stringing him up is too bloody good for him!  

[reddragon]

21 hours ago, Bishdurham said:

Stringing him up is too bloody good for him!  

You're a load a damn rivet counters, or in this case pointing out tiny differences in ceiling trims or is it just a suffix?

[adb968008]

42 minutes ago, reddragon said:

You're a load a damn rivet counters, or in this case pointing out tiny differences in ceiling trims or is it just a suffix?

The Jury notes the last words of a condemned man.

😀

 

[WCML100]

Im hoping someone can help, does anyone have any videos or pictures or the west coast mk2b’s and mk2c’s in service? Or any info on the rakes they were / are used in and any typical workings etc? Struggling to find much info on them. Tia 🙂

[adb968008]

On 08/11/2023 at 21:48, WCML100 said:

Im hoping someone can help, does anyone have any videos or pictures or the west coast mk2b’s and mk2c’s in service? Or any info on the rakes they were / are used in and any typical workings etc? Struggling to find much info on them. Tia 🙂

A bit of research for you…

 

wcrc has

 

3 mk2b.. TSO

5453

5478 * made by accurascale

5487* made by accurascale

 

1 mk2c

5592 Later numbered 6528 * made by accurascale
9440 * made by accurascale

looking online at gen groups the last times I saw entries for these were:

 

5478: 2/3/2015 57313/315

5478 5453 6175 5943 5928 3351 1201 94225 5239 3359 99311 4994

 

and 6/11/2014 with 37668/47746

99721 96175 3136 1201 3351 5928 3359 5453 5478

5487: 47786 on 23/10/2012

96175 5958 6009 5487 99721 99718 5453

 

and 18/08/2012 47854 and 57601

3431 3352 99679 3392 3350 3362 1201 6021 5487 5478 9496

 

picture on flickr march 2015

 

6528:  24/6/2013 with 37516 and 44871 returning from Fort William

5419, 5278, 9391, 6528, 99328, 3143

 

and 10/5/2013 with 47580 and 47826

99680, 3350, 3431, 3313, 3362, 3360, 3359, 6528, 6012, 6103, 6115, 6000

note flickr has a picture of 6528 in 2016 on the rear of a train.

 

9440:  21/7/2012 with 6233 and 22/7/12 with 60009 formation was:

99041, 9440, 4836, 4940, 4831, 6528, 3115, 3096, 99352 Amethyst, 1961, 3143 & 99128.

9440 is no longer mainline registered and reported scrapped in Jan 2023.

Ive not seen anything to suggest any of them have run since 2016.

Bachmann has produced or producing..

39-002K 99352 and 99347 Pullmans

39-059 4973 mk1 TSO (reported sold to KWVR Nov. 2023)

39-083 99723 mk1 BSK

39-266 1860 mk1 RMB

39-354 5239 mk2a TSO

 

what we are really missing to create accurate WCRC rakes is a Mk1 FO, or a mk2f TSO/ FO / BSO

 

my intention though is to just use a mix of all of the above, ive bought a few extra Bachmann mk1 and mk2 TSOs to renumber.

 

sources:

VCT Carriage survey

Gengroups

Flickr

Railtour info

wnxx

 

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by adb968008

[TomScrut]

6 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Ive not seen anything to suggest any of them have run since 2016.

 

Interesting. Technically the coaches I have on order won't really fly for my post 2019 era, however I think they'll be close enough for the sake of having a WCRC rake.

 

6 hours ago, adb968008 said:

my intention though is to just use a mix of all of the above

 

That's what I am doing. I have the Bachmann mk2 already and I have all 4 AS mk2 b/c on order and 3 remaining Bachmann releases.

 

Just need a WCRC loco to pull them with. I sold my Bachmann 37s because the coaches were miles off and was expecting either a new 37 to be done by Bachmann or AS, or a new 47 from Bachmann.

[adb968008]

56 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Interesting. Technically the coaches I have on order won't really fly for my post 2019 era, however I think they'll be close enough for the sake of having a WCRC rake.

 

Looking over WCRC history it makes sense, they were affected by the olympics in 2012 restricting when they could run, then there was the NE “fire” ban, then Wootton Bassett which shut them down until 2016… after their return it was a much shrunken and changed operation, with many newer steam tocs.

 

But their stock is timeless really, for 20 odd years now.

[StuAllen]

Saw this on FB earlier this week - wonder what the update could be…

[TomScrut]

1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

But their stock is timeless really, for 20 odd years now

 

Exactly, that's how I see it. They'll all look the part. Whilst I can tell a mk2b from an f, I don't really know (or care) about the differences in the types of mk2 for the sake of a rake of coaches. The livery is the most important part.

[No Decorum]

2 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

Interesting. Technically the coaches I have on order won't really fly for my post 2019 era, however I think they'll be close enough for the sake of having a WCRC rake.

 

 

That's what I am doing. I have the Bachmann mk2 already and I have all 4 AS mk2 b/c on order and 3 remaining Bachmann releases.

 

Just need a WCRC loco to pull them with. I sold my Bachmann 37s because the coaches were miles off and was expecting either a new 37 to be done by Bachmann or AS, or a new 47 from Bachmann.

I still have my Bachmann 37 and I haven’t succumbed to either Bachmann or Accurascale’s 37. It’s a handsome loco and I am well content with it. Some shots of the Bachmann WCRC coaches seem to show brake blocks badly out of line with the wheels and I’ve been holding fire until I see what finally emerges. Those Accurascale coaches above look rather good.

[TomScrut]

4 minutes ago, No Decorum said:

still have my Bachmann 37

 

In 20/20 hindsight I wish I still did in the case of WCRC! The other 37s I sold were more a clear out so less bothered.

Edited November 9, 2023 by TomScrut

[Paul.Uni]

2 hours ago, StuAllen said:

Saw this on FB earlier this week - wonder what the update could be…

I'm hoping for the Metropolitan liveried carriages, especially as 9466 in 1990s condition has been announced by Bachmann.

[derekdoestrains]

5 hours ago, StuAllen said:

wonder what the update could be…

They’ll be here by Christmas 😉

[Bishdurham]

1 hour ago, derekdoestrains said:

They’ll be here by Christmas 😉

We used to say that about a certain piece of trackwork from a company in Devon, but we never let on which Christmas!

[WCML100]

6 hours ago, StuAllen said:

Saw this on FB earlier this week - wonder what the update could be…

 

I too saw this, hats off to accurascale as these look lovely! The colour of the west coast livery seems to be a lot better too in comparison to the original sample which was too red in my opinion. Now looking for a suitable rake to run these in hence my earlier question! I already have a mixed mk1 / mk2 rake of west coast coaches with a mk1 pullman for good measure (all based on the rake which was behind Flying Scotsman in 2016 when travelling through Greenford).

 

question is can I justify another rake (likely as these look really good and WCRC Southall depot is 5 mins up the road from our Greenford based layout!) 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, adb968008 said:

A bit of research for you…

 

wcrc has

 

3 mk2b.. TSO

5453

5478 * made by accurascale

5487* made by accurascale

 

1 mk2c

5592 Later numbered 6528 * made by accurascale
9440 * made by accurascale

looking online at gen groups the last times I saw entries for these were:

 

5478: 2/3/2015 57313/315

5478 5453 6175 5943 5928 3351 1201 94225 5239 3359 99311 4994

 

and 6/11/2014 with 37668/47746

99721 96175 3136 1201 3351 5928 3359 5453 5478

5487: 47786 on 23/10/2012

96175 5958 6009 5487 99721 99718 5453

 

and 18/08/2012 47854 and 57601

3431 3352 99679 3392 3350 3362 1201 6021 5487 5478 9496

 

picture on flickr march 2015

 

6528:  24/6/2013 with 37516 and 44871 returning from Fort William

5419, 5278, 9391, 6528, 99328, 3143

 

and 10/5/2013 with 47580 and 47826

99680, 3350, 3431, 3313, 3362, 3360, 3359, 6528, 6012, 6103, 6115, 6000

note flickr has a picture of 6528 in 2016 on the rear of a train.

 

9440:  21/7/2012 with 6233 and 22/7/12 with 60009 formation was:

99041, 9440, 4836, 4940, 4831, 6528, 3115, 3096, 99352 Amethyst, 1961, 3143 & 99128.

9440 is no longer mainline registered and reported scrapped in Jan 2023.

Ive not seen anything to suggest any of them have run since 2016.

Bachmann has produced or producing..

39-002K 99352 and 99347 Pullmans

39-059 4973 mk1 TSO

39-083 99723 mk1 BSK

39-266 1860 mk1 RMB

39-354 5239 mk2a TSO

 

what we are really missing to create accurate WCRC rakes is a Mk1 FO, or a mk2f TSO/ FO / BSO

 

my intention though is to just use a mix of all of the above, ive bought a few extra Bachmann mk1 and mk2 TSOs to renumber.

 

sources:

VCT Carriage survey

Gengroups

Flickr

Railtour info

wnxx

 

 

 

Very Helpful! Thank you!

 

will take a look at those workings you mentioned and see if there is an example working in the south east or to Southall! Most pictures i found were between fort Willian of en route to or from crewe and there! 

[adb968008]

This was one of my favourite railtours…

Went straight through Greenford.

1Z66 Hanwell to Chinnor 20th October 2018.

 

you could easily creating a wcrc Accurascale rake for this ;-)

Edited November 9, 2023 by adb968008

[brushman47544]

17 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

This was one of my favourite railtours…

Went straight through Greenford.

1Z66 Hanwell to Chinnor 20th October 2018.

 

you could easily creating a wcrc Accurascale rake for this ;-)

 

Those are Mk2As (with centre doors) as produced by Bachmann, so not directly replicable with the Accurascale Mk2Bs and Cs.

[adb968008]

5 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

 

Those are Mk2As (with centre doors) as produced by Bachmann, so not directly replicable with the Accurascale Mk2Bs and Cs.

 

21 hours ago, adb968008 said:

the consist was 9466, 5171, 5200, 9401

 

As Bachmann havent made a mk2 BSO so were out of luck.

But Accurascale are making what would be the closest matching rake of mk2’s to recreate this scenario with the B’s and C’s.

 

Having already stated no ones made a wcrc FO… no one is going to have an accurate WCRC livery full rake so imagination, is still required, or a lot of time repainting and upgrading of Replica ones, or reprofiling Hornby ones to fit.

 

For only a few more weeks we have to run 1960’s maroon stock and pretend, but Manufacturers take note, the bar is being raised… to actual formation combinations :-)

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by adb968008

[brushman47544]

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

However for those who do, the consist was 9466, 5171, 5200, 9401

 

As Bachmann havent made a mk2 BSO you are out of luck.

Not as far as I’m aware in WCRC livery no, but a Mk2z and Mk2a BSO yes. 39-370 was a Mk2z BSO numbered E9399 in blue/grey livery and 39-380/A and 39-381 were the Mk2a version. So those who want a WCRC livery one shouldn’t give up hope.

Edited November 9, 2023 by brushman47544
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[WCML100]

9 hours ago, adb968008 said:

This was one of my favourite railtours…

Went straight through Greenford.

1Z66 Hanwell to Chinnor 20th October 2018.

 

you could easily creating a wcrc Accurascale rake for this ;-)

that is already on our radar, a perfect rake to model considering it went through Greenford! 2 Bachmann MK2a’s already purchased with a bso ready for repaint. Funnily enough all 3 of these coaches make up part of the rake that was behind scotsman when it visited greenford in 2016! 

[Melton Works]

It would be really nice to fill in the new missing link.... a nicely tooled MK2D. The Airfix tooling has been going round for donkeys years!

[Mark]

11 hours ago, Melton Works said:

It would be really nice to fill in the new missing link.... a nicely tooled MK2D. The Airfix tooling has been going round for donkeys years!

Possibly 2e as well. The Hornby effort was pathetic!

 

Mark

[Covkid]

12 hours ago, Melton Works said:

It would be really nice to fill in the new missing link.... a nicely tooled MK2D. The Airfix tooling has been going round for donkeys years!

 

1 hour ago, Mark said:

Possibly 2e as well. The Hornby effort was pathetic!

 

Mark

Here's a question.  If you were standing on a platform and a rake of "coffins"  were in that platform, there would be little to differentiate between a Mk2E and a Mk2F ?   You wouldn't see the below-solebar air con equipment, and you wouldn't see the roof vents.  So in my mind it would be the layout of the toilets at each end of the vehicles. 

 

I am definitely not criticising anyone who wants 100% accuracy, and yes, viewing the exterior of model trains running round a layout is totally different to observing them from a platform, but it wouldnt bother me having Mk2E and Mk2F in the same rake.   

 

[MJI]

24 minutes ago, Covkid said:

 

Here's a question.  If you were standing on a platform and a rake of "coffins"  were in that platform, there would be little to differentiate between a Mk2E and a Mk2F ?   You wouldn't see the below-solebar air con equipment, and you wouldn't see the roof vents.  So in my mind it would be the layout of the toilets at each end of the vehicles. 

 

I am definitely not criticising anyone who wants 100% accuracy, and yes, viewing the exterior of model trains running round a layout is totally different to observing them from a platform, but it wouldnt bother me having Mk2E and Mk2F in the same rake.   

 

 

WR have very mixed sets.

 

Seen in the real world the following mixes

 

2 C D E F

1 D E F

1 2 B D E F

 

Not seen an aircon set of just one type with a W at the front of the numbers.

 

This does mean to get a decent look modifying across DEF, so Airfix get used.

[IRC]

If it achieved the purpose of driving down the ridiculous asking prices of second hand blue/grey Bachmann mk2f’s, then I’m all for a new range of mk2d’s and e’s.

Maybe the wrong thread though…

Anyhow…. Looking forward to my mk2b’s and c’s immensely!