RMweb Gold Popular Post Accurascale Fran Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) Hi everyone, Can you believe that we have not announced an all-new wagon tooling at all during 2022? With us all caught up on our wagons ranges (just the last of the MGR wagons and MHAs to deliver, and they're now in transit from the factory) we have completely caught up on our outstanding wagon projects. So, for GETS 2022 we have decided to announce two more all new wagon projects that we have had bubbling away for a while... First up, the Southern Railway Diagram D1478 and D1479 Banana Vans in OO/4mm scale. We've been asked time and again for more "Big Four" rolling stock, and well, it's about time we went bananas! Pre-Order Your Vans By Clicking Here! Prototype History Now a commonplace sight in grocers and supermarkets across the nation, in 2020, the importation of Bananas amounted to trade worth $582M, making the United Kingdom the 7th largest importer of Bananas in the world, with imports coming primarily from Colombia, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador and Belize. Once considered a luxury, by the 1930s the importation of the fruit from the Caribbean had become huge business, necessitating a new approach to transporting this fragile and perishable fruit. Bananas were first imported in quantity into Britain by Edward Fyffe in 1901, being picked while still green and unripe, before being transported by sea in ships with insulated and refrigerated holds in shipments of around 4000 bunches. A bunch could contain anything between 40 and 100 bananas and the bunches of most varieties had to be straw packed in returnable wooden crates, although the tougher varieties from Jamaica could be carried loose. The infrastructure for handling the import of banana traffic was extensive and the ports at Avonmouth, Hull, Garston, Barry Docks, Preston and Southampton invested heavily in facilities for handling the fruit, including the facilities for onward transport by rail to the ripening sheds inland. Specialised vans for the transport of bananas were operated by the Great Western Railway, the London & North Eastern Railway and the London, Midland, Scottish Railway, as the fruit required special handling, heating and ventilating conditions during its transport and so the wagons were insulated, fitted with steam heating pipes and, in some cases, equipped with adjustable ventilation to allow the ripening process to continue en-route. Southampton had handled banana traffic since pre-grouping days, using London & South Western Railway stock, but when Elders & Fyffes moved their handling operations from Hull to Southampton in 1933, the Southern Railway needed to increase their fleet of vans substantially. By 1935 the SR had built its own fleet of 200 vans to Diagram 1478, the first to use the new Rail Clearing House 10’ wheelbase underframe and combined with the hired in LNER vehicles, the new fleet met the demands placed upon it. When fire destroyed a number of the LNER’s fleet and Fyffes moved their operation to the Royal Albert Docks, leading to the LNER having to recall their remaining vehicles, the SR needed to expand the fleet again and this was achieved by amending an existing order for D1458 ordinary covered vans; the bodies being modified and fitted to the same 10’ underframes as the existing stock and in total, 125 vehicles were built in this manner, the SR issuing a new diagram number of 1479 for these new Banana Vans. Both types entered traffic in the SR’s Stone livery with Venetian red lettering, albeit with a slight difference in that the D1478 vehicles carried large SR lettering until 1936, before the SR switched to small lettered branding, which is how the D1479 vehicles entered traffic. In November 1940 the British banana trade was suspended, the Ministry of Food prioritising the movement and importation of citrus fruits and so many of the SR’s Banana Vans were re-purposed for the transportation of meat and branded accordingly, however there must have been some transportation of bananas, as in March 1941 an amendment of the painting diagram showed a wartime livery of Red Oxide, with Lemon lettering and a 1’ 6" green band added to each corner, specifically to indicate use for banana traffic. Post-war, and under nationalisation as British Railways, the vans were re-liveried in BR Bauxite and as banana traffic continued into the 1950s, branded gummed labels for Fyffes and Geest became ever more prevalent, fixed to the sides of the vans. It was during this period that imports from the Windward Islands increased, and with the islands of Dominica, Grenada, St. Lucia and St. Vincent being closer to the UK than Jamaica, the nature of banana imports began to change with conditions necessitating a change in how the fruit was transported. Ripening the fruit became less of an issue, which negated the need for using steam, as increased insulation was all that was needed. The former SR Banana Vans did not carry ventilators, unlike the vans from the other regions which, by 1954, were being removed or sealed, but the legend ‘steam’ was removed from the wagon sides and from 1956 the steam controls on individual vehicles began to be removed and the insulation increased, although the steam pipes were retained for the time being. Between 1961 and 1963, the increase in insulation resulted in the addition of a yellow circle to the van sides and by the end of 1963 all steam pipes had been removed permanently from the banana vans, but by now the use of rail for distribution was rapidly declining and many of the vans were taken out of traffic by 1968. Those vans that remained in service found use in BR Departmental service, mainly being used as Fitted Heads and classified as Tadpole. Most conversions dated from the 1967/68 period, as numbers of the ex-SR and early BR vans became redundant and originated mostly from the very large fleet that served the Geest Import Terminal at Barry Docks. Most were based at Llantrisant and Swansea, their main use occurring on the iron ore workings from British Steel Corporation’s Llanharry Mine and the Limestone workings from Creigiau to East Moors Steelworks in Cardiff, via Pengam. A common sight around the yard at Llantrisant, it was from there that they were added to the trains, while the Swansea vans worked out of Jersey Marine Yard by 1974 and were used on the Limestone workings from Craig-y-Nos to Llanwern and were added at Jersey Marine for the run up the South Wales Main Line. The vans started off with DS and DB suffixes and from 1974 were noted as TDS and TDB, and then by their TOPS code of RBV. A few examples never gained the D prefix, although most seemed to carry Circuit markings along with a very small branding and the last example of the ex-SR Banana Vans was withdrawn around 1978, leaving no examples preserved. This range of SR Banana vans, completely new to the RTR 00 market, mark a significant milestone in the development of the Southern’s use of the RCH 10’ chassis and the ongoing use of Lynes’ van body arrangement with its distinctive roof outline. The Models Approaching the SR Banana vans, a much missing link in ready-to-run wagons from this period, required doing things ‘The Accurascale Way’. Therefore, both diagrams D1478 and D1479 were selected with differing bodies catered for in the range, with early and late versions of both. The chassis and running gear are of a common design across both diagrams, however the bodies differ in profile and width. To ensure reliable running, a die-cast metal chassis has been implemented, giving excellent weight and sure-footedness of running. With a scale wheelbase of 40mm, operation over a minimum radius of 371mm (1st radius set-track) is easily achieved. Further differences across the range include no fewer than three different styles of wheel design catered for; split spoke, single spoke and 3-hole disc, chemically blackened and conforming to the RP25-110 standard. Axles are set in blackened brass bearings and conforming to Accurascale’s standards of 14.4mm back-to-backs, using 2mm axles over 26mm pinpoints. The detail is there too, with plenty of separate eroded metal, plastic and wire detail parts, including (but not limited to) separate handrails, grab handles, door handles, lamp brackets, vacuum and steam pipes, through pipes, steam heating cock and brake gear. Turned metal sprung buffers set off these beautiful little vans with small tension locks, set into small, self-centring NEM housings. Authentic livery, markings and numbers, accurately researched to the time periods modelled. With these vans lasting over a long period of SR and BR ownership, we have gone that extra mile once again and catered for authentic livery, detail and marking variants, along with numbers which are as per the wagons modelled! These wagons will come in triple packs in a variety of liveries across their careers in banana traffic and are priced at £84.95 each, with 10% off when customers order two packs or more via the Accurascale website, along with free UK and Ireland shipping. These wagons will also be available across Accurascale’s network of local stockists. Delivery is slated for Q4 2023, with decorated samples due in Spring of 2023. Browse the full range on our website by clicking here. Once again, we must thank Mike King for his help in providing photographs and insights for this project, which made the task of wading through additional drawings at Search Engine and Butterley a far less daunting task and which highlighted some important details. All prototype images on this page are copyright: Mike King. Cheers! Fran Edited October 6, 2022 by Accurascale Fran 33 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Hallelujah!!! Finally we have made it to the promised van! 1 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRat Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Luverly jublee! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 But how on earth do I justify a banana van on the Withered Arm at Halwill? The quality is not in doubt, the justification wafer thin! 3 2 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: But how on earth do I justify a banana van on the Withered Arm at Halwill? The quality is not in doubt, the justification wafer thin! How do you think I feel @Oldddudders😉 2 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: But how on earth do I justify a banana van on the Withered Arm at Halwill? The quality is not in doubt, the justification wafer thin! Haha. But, they could run when no one is looking… mine will! Lovely models and a great starting point for future 4-wheeled vehicles: there are so many examples that aren’t produced in kit or RTR form. Best wishes, Nick. 5 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRyan Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Unreasonably excited by this announcement and will absolutely be picking up a couple of packs! Thanks Fran and team! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, gwrrob said: How do you think I feel @Oldddudders😉 Hmm. Let's suppose a ship from the Windies has been in trouble on the briny, and gratefully puts into Plymouth for repairs rather later than the expected date at Southampton. There is a panic to get the bananas to the ripening store, and while the Southern provides the van(s) it is agreed that a fast freight up the GWR is in the customer's best interest? 7 1 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Excellent choice! Not what I expected but it Southern so will get a pack or single of each at least. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: But how on earth do I justify a banana van on the Withered Arm at Halwill? The quality is not in doubt, the justification wafer thin! Surely they had greengrocers? Maybe an enterprising one trans-shipped to lorries for delivery all over the West Country? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 Very nice! A pack of Tadpoles for the Llantrisant - Kingswinford coke will do us very nicely thank you as will be able to justify why it went north as a class 8 but came back as a class 6 with those in the train. Also a pack of late BR ones to go in the rake of Red Panda/Dapol hybrids we have… will put those to shame looking at that lovely brake gear. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mudmagnet Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 Well that is a surprise. Ordered one of the departmental wagons, but very tempted by a pack of three. Can EM wheel sets be dropped in? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatloaf Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Great announcement but would it be at all possible to do a 3 pack with 3 different wagons in it? I know people run block trains but others like me dont like having more than a few of the same wagon. 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2022 Bananas are both a fruit and not a fruit. This is my justification for the odd one (or three). Admittedly it's not much but it's all I've got 😉 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, meatloaf said: Great announcement but would it be at all possible to do a 3 pack with 3 different wagons in it? I know people run block trains but others like me dont like having more than a few of the same wagon. I believe that they do indeed come in a packet of three. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 Very welcome - well done. Nice underframe too guv - very handy for 'future developments' 😇 However for a proper banana train you do need a right old mixture of vans as shown below (sorry it's not good quality but it's snipped out of a picture that was meant to concentrate on the EE Type 3 at the head of the train) 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithHC Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Wow just what I want. I need them for Grange road, Rowfant. There was a freight working on a Saturday morning from East Grinstead via Three Bridges that included Banana vans from Lingfield. Also need to know if EM wheel sets will fit. Keith 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 Hello everyone Top marks for this one! The vans had always been very High Polling in the annual 00 Wishlist Poll and were very nearly in The Top 50 in 2019 (the last Poll to run). We wish Accurascale every success with these vehicles! Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 34 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Very welcome - well done. Nice underframe too guv - very handy for 'future developments' 😇 However for a proper banana train you do need a right old mixture of vans as shown below (sorry it's not good quality but it's snipped out of a picture that was meant to concentrate on the EE Type 3 at the head of the train) Yes cracking mix of vans there Mike. Throw in a few ratio kits to our Accurascale/Dapol hybrid mix and we are starting to get there…. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 1 hour ago, mudmagnet said: Well that is a surprise. Ordered one of the departmental wagons, but very tempted by a pack of three. Can EM wheel sets be dropped in? They have Blackened brass bearings conforming to accurascale standards of 14.4mm back-to-back on 2mm axles over 26mm pinpoints. 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 Excellent news. I shall be watching your underpinnings as usual!! Mike. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Excellent news. I shall be watching your underpinnings as usual!! Mike. Yes nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition…. 😀 Fetch the EM axles and wheelsets Cardinal Fang…. Edited October 8, 2022 by Phil Bullock 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDN Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 A mixed set of vans in Southern livery would be most welcome. One D1479 and two D1478s, one in original and one in modified livery. Nigel 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2022 (edited) .... Edited October 8, 2022 by JohnR Deleted post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Whilst probably not for me being a bit too early it is nevertheless a lovely model, and the metal chassis is a brilliant development. However, the text about the history of banana traffic on the railways was fascinating, something I knew little of, it being largely gone by the time I became interested in railways. I expect another sell out incoming. 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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