Steamport Southport Posted February 26, 2018 Share Posted February 26, 2018 In a class of 9 (+1 maybe) they need to be a little cautious, 1/3rd the fleet has already been modelled. Pedant mode on.... Ten (72000 to 72009) plus 72010 Hengist. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train wasp Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 A price of £150 for a second hand Clan does suggest to me that there isn’t much of a market for these models. I recently saw a new Black Five for sale at a show at £189. Perhaps Hornby won’t be tempted to re-introduce this model. Regards Has anyone got any idea which Hornby locos are now commanding a high second hand price now. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Has anyone got any idea which Hornby locos are now commanding a high second hand price now. Thanks Rebuilt Bulleid Light Pacifics seem to be the most consistent in doing that, though they don't generally start appreciating until at least a year after they cease to be obtainable new. Prices of older ones tend to track those of new releases rather than their original cost and that seems to be spreading to other models, especially Britannias. John Edited March 4, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 Has anyone got any idea which Hornby locos are now commanding a high second hand price now. Thanks Pecketts, SECR H, R3554 Sir William Stanier... all are jumping like the stock market right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2018 Anyone after a Clan? One has just come up on eBay today. Starting price £100 Any takers? Sorry cannot post a link from my iPad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) It's very noticeable that the photos are only of the box not of the contents! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/model-locomotive-Hornby-clan-class-locomotive-r2846-clan-buchanan-brand-new/292470897939?hash=item44189fbd13:g:XNgAAOSwK7pam-vE Edited March 4, 2018 by PenrithBeacon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 It's very noticeable that the photos are only of the box not of the contents! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/model-locomotive-Hornby-clan-class-locomotive-r2846-clan-buchanan-brand-new/292470897939?hash=item44189fbd13:g:XNgAAOSwK7pam-vE His feedback is good. I'd bid , but I already have all three Hornby production Clans. That said, I'd bid anyway at £100 , I have an irrational liking for rare Hornby models..... t'will be interesting to see how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 His feedback is good. I'd bid , but I already have all three Hornby production Clans. That said, I'd bid anyway at £100 , I have an irrational liking for rare Hornby models..... t'will be interesting to see how it goes.It’ll be interesting just how far north of £100 the bidding goes. Anything less than £200 will, I think, show that there isn’t much of a market for a new production Clan Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 It's very noticeable that the photos are only of the box not of the contents! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/model-locomotive-Hornby-clan-class-locomotive-r2846-clan-buchanan-brand-new/292470897939?hash=item44189fbd13:g:XNgAAOSwK7pam-vE That might have something to do with the comment that he has never opened the box. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) That might have something to do with the comment that he has never opened the box. Bernard Which means that he doesn't know if it runs! And no returns accepted! Could be an interesting purchase Edited March 5, 2018 by PenrithBeacon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 Which means that he doesn't know if it runs! And no returns accepted! Could be an interesting purchase If it’s unopened and not run then the law of averages are that it will be fine (we didn’t have mass reports of Clan problems when they were new). Likewise if there is a mechanical problem it’s an easy fix with plentiful spares from the still current Britannia. And ‘no returns’ doesn’t cancel your basic rights to a refund if it isn’t as described. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) That might have something to do with the comment that he has never opened the box. Bernard Which is not necessarily the same thing as the box never having been opened - you don't even know if it's the correct loco in there............ John Edited March 5, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Which is not necessarily the same thing as the box never having been opened - you don't even know if it's the correct loco in there............ John I don't think he would like to lose his feedback rating. You would think that showing the internals of the box without removing the engine would make sense, but when I did that (carefully opening end flap with flat blade, and so on) and not disturbing the tissue papers around the actual model, all for a local auction site, I was told by the management of the auction that the model would no longer qualify as being 'new'. Many Hornby sleeved boxes have a blank white card hiding the engine too, which makes the remval of basic packaging devalue the 'new' 'unopened' status. Thus there are some pretty odd ideas for collectors items.. the 15 Guinea Special pair of Black 5s commands high prices when untouched/unopened. I couldn't get my head around it at first, because some retailers open and test-run new models and they are still 'new'. I think this Clan seller has a genuine item, mainly because if not his feedback rating would take a hit. typo edit p.s. I think the model has been opened, there are faint bruises on one end flap, probably the seller has checked it looks ok but wants to keep the 'unopened' status, meaning to him 'never unpacked'.. he also calls the box a 'book' so he isn't a very careful writer, but then neither am I! Edited March 5, 2018 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 His feedback is good. I'd bid , but I already have all three Hornby production Clans. That said, I'd bid anyway at £100 , I have an irrational liking for rare Hornby models..... t'will be interesting to see how it goes. You have competition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 You have competition A futile gesture, I have every intention of going as high as £108.50. Nobody else need bid.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) I am watching the clan Rob, If it goes past 160 my wallet will hit me Edited March 6, 2018 by mark axlecounter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) I don't think he would like to lose his feedback rating. You would think that showing the internals of the box without removing the engine would make sense, but when I did that (carefully opening end flap with flat blade, and so on) and not disturbing the tissue papers around the actual model, all for a local auction site, I was told by the management of the auction that the model would no longer qualify as being 'new'. Many Hornby sleeved boxes have a blank white card hiding the engine too, which makes the remval of basic packaging devalue the 'new' 'unopened' status. Thus there are some pretty odd ideas for collectors items.. the 15 Guinea Special pair of Black 5s commands high prices when untouched/unopened. I couldn't get my head around it at first, because some retailers open and test-run new models and they are still 'new'. I think this Clan seller has a genuine item, mainly because if not his feedback rating would take a hit. typo edit p.s. I think the model has been opened, there are faint bruises on one end flap, probably the seller has checked it looks ok but wants to keep the 'unopened' status, meaning to him 'never unpacked'.. he also calls the box a 'book' so he isn't a very careful writer, but then neither am I! From the picture, I would definitely say that the box has been opened at some point. Presuming that the seller, as stated, hasn't done so himself, he is also "in the dark" as to the contents and its condition. Given the number of defective locos that get out, I can see no logic in collecting factory-sealed models. Anyway, if one never sees the contents, why not just collect boxes? Schrodinger's Loco's - they can be considered to be both perfect and riddled with Mazak rot, but you won't know which until you open the box..... John Edited March 6, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 The seller is saying that it’s new. If this is so then he hasn’t bought it off someone else because if he did it would be second hand. He also says the box hasn’t been opened but it clearly has. I’m not in the market for a Clan but I’d stay away from this one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 On the other hand, I can't remember when I last saw a Hornby Std. 6 in any shape or form. It's like they've disappeared off the face of the Earth. Has Hornby lost access to the tooling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Hattons have a Clan £213 http://www.hattons.co.uk/348855/Hornby_R2847_PO_Clan_Class_4_6_2_72008_Clan_MacLeod_in_BR_Green_with_late_crest_Pre_owned_Like/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Now admittedly this was over a year ago but whilst holidaying in Dorset I came across an art shop with quite a few model railway items from Hornby which included (I think) 3 Clans all brand new in box. All of their Hornby stock was years old and priced at the price for when it was first released - I got a couple of 08s for £60 ish each if I recall correctly - brand new. I think the Clans were about £120 but could be wrong - I considered buying to shift on given I hadn't seen any for years but decided not to. The point of this ramble... I didn't get the impression the shop in question turned over their stocks very often so they may still be there... I don't know the shop name but is in Dorchester opposite the Egyptian museum - if anyone in area and looking for a Clan might be worth a look? M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) If I am permitted here is my 72000 before I sold it in 2012 for from memory about £100... just so people can recall how a pristine one might look pic edited will remove if required. I think the Clan and 4MT are Hornby's best models ever p.s. this is on my layout before the big earthquake in 2/2011 in ChCh NZ my track ballasting skills or lack thereof are evident! Edited March 6, 2018 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold sjp23480 Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 Hattons have a Clan £213 http://www.hattons.co.uk/348855/Hornby_R2847_PO_Clan_Class_4_6_2_72008_Clan_MacLeod_in_BR_Green_with_late_crest_Pre_owned_Like/StockDetail.aspx Already gone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Already gone! Make me wonder how many new models would sell at £200+ if of excellent quality.... and yet you can buy a mint new B17 or King for £70-80? So it's not just the quality of the model, there must be some other factor, presumably rarity or personal connection to the prototype or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2018 Make me wonder how many new models would sell at £200+ if of excellent quality.... and yet you can buy a mint new B17 or King for £70-80? So it's not just the quality of the model, there must be some other factor, presumably rarity or personal connection to the prototype or something? We will find that out quite soon enough, I think. Of course, if one wants/needs a Clan to fit into a layout set in a part of the country where they ran, neither a B17 or a King are likely to be plausible substitutes........... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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