Mark Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Assuming you mean my cadds model, you need to be a bit careful. I gave them access to my cadds model for their 7mm kit, I certainly was not the originator as I am sure they made use of plenty of other sources of information to arrive at the final product. Also mine was configured for 4mm scale re-scaled for 7mm when I sent it to them, so there would be lots of areas that would not be appropriate for them to use. I don't know why they chose to do the cab windows differently, but they obviously had their reasons. Regards Mark Humphrys Just a thought before the inevitable 'online with no information froth fest starts'. Prior to the link announcement above, the originator of the JLTRT cads has posted with no negative comment re the link between him and JLTRT, and a link between JLTRT and the manufacturer people are assuming to be involved. Note JLTRT has not named the manufacturer, or the specific product/s involved. Speculating there may be a link between a recent announcement and JLTRT's whilst not unreasonable, may be incorrect. Lets not forget the potential legal issues that could be involved for the manufacturers we are assuming to be involved, and this forum, as a published/publishing medium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Assuming you mean my cadds model, you need to be a bit careful. I gave them access to my cadds model for their 7mm kit, I certainly was not the originator as I am sure they made use of plenty of other sources of information to arrive at the final product. Also mine was configured for 4mm scale re-scaled for 7mm when I sent it to them, so there would be lots of areas that would not be appropriate for them to use. I don't know why they chose to do the cab windows differently, but they obviously had their reasons. Regards Mark Humphrys Hi Mark, I have 2 questions. 1) If Dapol were to approach you for access to your cadds to be used in the development of a 4mm Western would you be prepared to consider helping them (subject to negotiation of mutually acceptable terms)? 2) If they haven't approached you so far, would you be prepared to approach them on behalf of those of us who are sufficiently impressed with the work you have done to believe that it could form the basis of "the most accurate and realistic OO gauge Class 52 ‘Western’ yet manufactured"? Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Weren't there originally going to be a few more of them, Geoff? You could do all the might-have-beens as well! According to Precision Labels website, D1074 - D1099 were to be named: D1074 WESTERN VALIANT D1075 WESTERN SCEPTRE D1076 WESTERN DIADEM D1077 WESTERN JEWEL D1078 WESTERN CROWN D1079 WESTERN VICTOR D1080 WESTERN LUSTRE D1081 WESTERN EAGLE D1082 WESTERN HAWK D1083 WESTERN FALCON D1084 WESTERN COMET D1085 WESTERN PLANET D1086 WESTERN ISLE D1087 WESTERN METEOR D1088 WESTERN ZEPHYR D1089 WESTERN MISTRAL D1090 WESTERN FLOWER D1091 WESTERN ROSE D1092 WESTERN GARLAND D1093 WESTERN EMBLEM D1094 WESTERN LEGEND D1095 WESTERN HERITAGE D1096 WESTERN FURY D1097 WESTERN RAPIER D1098 WESTERN SABRE D1099 WESTERN JAVELIN I don't have John Mayo note from Railway Modeller in 2003 to confirm Luke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelW Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 ICA, FEA-B, and Blue spot will be re-released with new running numbers JNA and IOA wagons will appear in the 3rd quarter alongside MJA and HIA wagons in Freightliner ‘HeavyHaul’ livery Anybody else notice the statement on timing for these wagons? Sounds like we'll get a glut of wagons that want to be run in block trains.... Surely it would be better to spread them out bit more. Looking forward to them arriving though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 On the Western front, Im thinking that someone, somewhere has been a very naughty little boy. Alistair Just a thought before the inevitable 'online with no information froth fest starts'. Prior to the link announcement above, the originator of the JLTRT cads has posted with no negative comment re the link between him and JLTRT, and a link between JLTRT and the manufacturer people are assuming to be involved. Note JLTRT has not named the manufacturer, or the specific product/s involved. Speculating there may be a link between a recent announcement and JLTRT's whilst not unreasonable, may be incorrect. Lets not forget the potential legal issues that could be involved for the manufacturers we are assuming to be involved, and this forum, as a published/publishing medium. I was careful not to use Dapols name when I posted the second statement but started to type something else (after I went for a drink) I forgot what I was going to put. It should have read On the Weston front, I am hoping that they are as good models as the 86, and 67 and that they don't come to closely behind other models that I want, quite glad I didn't get the Farish one for my birthday now. Im thinking that someone, somewhere has been a very naughty little boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 I can advise readers that I have spoken to representatives of both parties and that the statement on the JLTRT site does refer to Dapol and the Western. Following the information provided by JLTRT I have sought clarification of the position from Dapol and await further information when DapolDave returns from holiday. Can we please refrain from any speculative comments that could affect either party or this site please. Thanks, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Is it?, just shows how little people think or know before posting sometimes. http://www.rmweb.co....post__p__299694 Well it's the morning there, assuming that on his hols , and seeing you're assuming that it's Dapol that's the manufacturer in question, is his first holiday priority to check RmWeb? ... If it isn't them, Dapol, they have nothing to answer to. Andy's made it quite clear he's requested clarification from one possible manufacturer, who just happens to be a member of this forum. And you appear to assume I don't read or think before I post. Whilst my comment was posted after 6 that does not mean I assume that Dapol are on here 24/7 nor do I assume Dapol Dave is the only guy in the company who can issue press statements. The confirmation that Andy has had could just as easily have been posted on the Dapol website showing they were aware of the situation and show reassurance to their customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 [Admin edit]l Mark has already covered his dealings with JLTRT and his CAD files a few posts back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 13, 2011 Author Share Posted January 13, 2011 [Admin edit] What did I say about speculation? Please don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 IOn the Weston front, . D1074 Weston Wagon Wheel D1075 Weston Biscuits D1076 George Weston Foods It's the best one since "Kestral"....... Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted January 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2011 Searched around a bit and found the thread on the old forum re Mark's 4mm Western http://www.rmweb.co.....php?f=8&t=2338 It looks pretty accurate to me. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 What did I say about speculation? Please don't. Unless you're a merchant banker, of course, in which case here's £5m bonus for speculating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Unless you're a merchant banker, of course, in which case here's £5m bonus for speculating oh, and here's another £2m for speculating wrongly and bringing the country to its knees... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 The number series is problematic but hey, D1099 Western Hemisphere D1100 Western Movies D1101 Western Super Mare D1102 Western Daily Press D1103 Western Union D1104 Western Australia D1105 Western Jewish Cemetery D1106 Western Kentucky D1107 Western Locomotive Association D1108 Western Quotes D1109 Western Values D1110 Western World D1111 Western Xia Dynasty D1112 Western Zoyland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Just to pull away from the WEstern "issue" for a momeny. I'm curious that if the Hall has been developed to include mod and orginal variants. If any though has been given towards how close Dapol is to a Star and Saint. Or is the combination of low tender profile and small cab impractical for the cam loco/tender drive system? I'm getting excited about N, after giving up on it and move out the the garden with gas fired kettles, I might be tempted to have somethig indoors for the winter months. (to get me really excited and 56xx and 42xx would be lovely) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 The number series is problematic but hey, D1099 Western Hemisphere D1100 Western Movies D1101 Western Super Mare D1102 Western Daily Press D1103 Western Union D1104 Western Australia D1105 Western Jewish Cemetery D1106 Western Kentucky D1107 Western Locomotive Association D1108 Western Quotes D1109 Western Values D1110 Western World D1111 Western Xia Dynasty D1112 Western Zoyland And Mahatma Gandhi favourite “D1113 Western Civilisationâ€; now that would be a good idea… Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod2 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Topic started earlier today in the MMM forum, perhaps the discussion on names can be transferred there. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 The announcement on Dapol's web site has now changed: Luke +++++++++++ OO Gauge Western Diesel Hydraulic Due to popular demand we intend to launch the Class 52 Western Diesel. 4 models will be released this year and are as follows, D1005 “Western Venturer†BR Blue with full yellow warning panel D1029 “Western Legionaire†BR Maroon with small yellow warning panel D1038 “Western Sovereign†BR Green with small yellow warning panels D1056 “Western Sultan†BR Maroon with full yellow warning panel Featuring our NEW OO gauge 5 pole skew wound motor, darkened profile wheels, partial low friction mechanism, twin flywheels, directional lighting, lit yellow glow head code panels, DCC Ready 21pin decoder socket on board, accessory bag, fully modelled cab interior, etched name and number plates, interior cab lighting, DCC sound speaker space within fuel tank, etched brass roof grilles with moulded fans beneath and NEM coupling box. +++++++++++ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I'm curious that if the Hall has been developed to include mod and orginal variants. If any though has been given towards how close Dapol is to a Star and Saint. Or is the combination of low tender profile and small cab impractical for the cam loco/tender drive system? According to DapolDave, bothe original Collett and modified Halls will be catered for in the design with the original Halls appearing first. Backdating to a Saint would be quite a job. The wheels are larger on the older loco and the cab is the old Churward design with no side windows. However a compatible 3500 gallon tender drive is available from the Ixion Manor/Mogul. The Mogul will also feature the old Churward cab. I suppose if you really wanted you might be able to hack something resembling a Saint out of a Hall and a Mogul. I don't know about the Star but they were 4-cylinder locos anyway so a Hall would not be a good starting point IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2011 Backdating to a Saint would be quite a job. The wheels are larger on the older loco and the cab is the old Churward design with no side windows. Even though the wheels are larger the spacings are the same so Dapol could use the same chassis block and develop the Saint from there. I expect that Dapol will have considered the potential for other locos related to the Hall but would watch the sales of the Hall before considering in depth any further developments, and we would not hear about those until they are close to release. Pmorgan, As to the development of a 56xx, this is more likely to come from Bachmann as they do this in OO but there seems to be a focus on the larger locos at the moment, rather than on tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Charon Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 According to DapolDave, bothe original Collett and modified Halls will be catered for in the design with the original Halls appearing first. Backdating to a Saint would be quite a job. The wheels are larger on the older loco and the cab is the old Churward design with no side windows. However a compatible 3500 gallon tender drive is available from the Ixion Manor/Mogul. The Mogul will also feature the old Churward cab. I suppose if you really wanted you might be able to hack something resembling a Saint out of a Hall and a Mogul. I don't know about the Star but they were 4-cylinder locos anyway so a Hall would not be a good starting point IMHO. The Star is part of the chain that leads to the King, via the Castle. Now, turning a Hall into a County would be relatively easy. (Or, you could possibly turn a B1 into the alternative County proposal. The one with Walschaerts valve gear) But yes, for a Star, I'd be waiting for a Castle or King, I think. As for Hall to Saint, the main differences are the larger wheels and the older cab. (Tender to one side). Whether they would have attached a different tender to it if had lasted longer... Apparantly in real life, somebody is trying to convert a Hall to a Saint... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 14, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2011 Pricing has been released for N gauge, I assume also for OO N gauge Hall RRP £107.95 Western RRP £104.95 Class 26 RRP £94.95 Class 56 RRP £104.95 Class 121 RRP £102.59 Class 142 RRP £104.95 (powered) - £54.95 (unpowered) RRP prices taken from Kernow model centre's website. I'm sure other sites will have similar prices to Kernow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted January 15, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2011 2011 is going to be an expensive year...I think I will wait until that 'well known company based in Liverpool who wrap their packages in brown paper and string' announce their prices... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted January 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2011 2011 is going to be an expensive year... Only if they deliver........................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steam-driven boy Posted January 15, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2011 Hi, I doubt many of us will be looking for the opportunity to part with the RRP, I think you'd have to buy direct from Dapol's own shop to do that Of more interest is the "expected" release dates on some of those items, for me anyway!: Class 121 - Green: 3rd quarter, Blue / Network South East: 4th quarter. No update on the GWR150 limited edition, but it must be in there somewhere. Class 142 - Regional Railways / Northern Rail: 2nd quarter, Arriva / Northern Spirit / Tyne & Wear: 4th quarter Western - 4th quarter Not 'carved in stone' of course, but possibly a useful guide for the wallet-recovery-plan B) Regards, Gerry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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