amdaley Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Here's a picture of one running on Hinton Parva at Warley this weekend. We managed to "borrow" some from Hornby Magazine to run in our parcels rakes. How did it run ? Any problems ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWMark Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 How did it run ? Any problems ? It ran pretty well, the only issue we had was one of mismatched couplings. It had the slim line couplings and was coupled to something with old style Hornby ones, but this is easily solved. On one of them we swapped the couplings for Kadees, this closed it up more to the particular rake it was used with and also ran pretty well. It would probably benefit from a little extra weight, but that said we only had an issue on the very worse of our board joints when it was the last vehicle in the rake. The lateral movement of the wheelsets works well and allows it run over complex pointwork without any problems at all. Unfortunately we had to give them back at the end of Sunday. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdaley Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 It ran pretty well, the only issue we had was one of mismatched couplings. It had the slim line couplings and was coupled to something with old style Hornby ones, but this is easily solved. On one of them we swapped the couplings for Kadees, this closed it up more to the particular rake it was used with and also ran pretty well. It would probably benefit from a little extra weight, but that said we only had an issue on the very worse of our board joints when it was the last vehicle in the rake. The lateral movement of the wheelsets works well and allows it run over complex pointwork without any problems at all. Unfortunately we had to give them back at the end of Sunday. Mark Hello Mark. Cheers for that. Did you think the undersized wheels or misaligned brakes took away from the general look of the model ? While on a recent visit to the UK I saw one on the Hornby stand at the WYCRAIL exhibition & thought these faults took from the overall image of the model even though I was impressed with the body of the model. The model I saw was of course unpainted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Looking at that picture two things strike me straiight away - one the horrible silver wheelsets which stand out like a sore thumb and the other is the ride height which looks low - either way for me not an issue as I'm having to convert it to EM anyway. Im sure other "jobs" will need doing as well judging by other comments from those who have actually had the model in their hands. Looking forward to mine arriving via the postie now, its still going to save me the job of kitbuilding one for my Red Bank set. The wheelsets are in stock and ready to be fitted - as for the rest of the work I will keep the thread posted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted November 24, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2010 Looking at that picture two things strike me straiight away - one the horrible silver wheelsets which stand out like a sore thumb and the other is the ride height which looks low - I am unable from here to qualify the ride height but please note that in the picture its is slightly higher than the loco (Bahmann crab) but lower than the first other vechile in the rake, which I can not remember what that was. So three differtn ride heights in that one picture! I will measure the ride height when I get home tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted November 24, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2010 I am unable from here to qualify the ride height but please note that in the picture its is slightly higher than the loco (Bahmann crab) but lower than the first other vechile in the rake, which I can not remember what that was. So three differtn ride heights in that one picture! I will measure the ride height when I get home tonight. Thanks Graham Hopefully it will be 1mm lower than the prototype! Wouldn't that make life easier Mind you wouldn't the ride heights of the prototypes vary according to the load they carried, spring wear and actual wheel diameter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Mind you wouldn't the ride heights of the prototypes vary according to the load they carried, spring wear and actual wheel diameter? Yes but 14mm wheels will already be representing well worn tyres. so you really wouldn't want it running high after fitting them. There are some great pictures in the Russell book on GWR freight wagons and loads book showing what happens to leaf springs if you overload the wagon. The buffers end up too low at one end and too high at the other as a result and if it wasn't real it'd be a great posed shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Thanks Graham Hopefully it will be 1mm lower than the prototype! Wouldn't that make life easier Mind you wouldn't the ride heights of the prototypes vary according to the load they carried, spring wear and actual wheel diameter? I hope so as well! Ride heights would vary but in 4mm I would expect the difference to be negligible given the traffic - I was going off the vehicle behind in the photo rather than the Crab - using the brick courses on the box behind as a guide it looks to be around one mil lower, maybe a bit more, but new wheels will cure that. Either that or using one of the Brassmasters Cleminson etches Craig; i will admit to having that book despite the railway it depicts - Its a very useful reference source for waggon loads! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted November 25, 2010 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2010 I have checked the ride height and from rail top to the buffer centre line it is exactly 14mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preservation Modeller Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I wonder how long it'll be until they are on our layouts.... Can't be much longer I hope... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Looking at that picture two things strike me straiight away - one the horrible silver wheelsets which stand out like a sore thumb and the other is the ride height which looks low - Shiney wheels spoil the appearance of most RTR. First job I do on new RTR stuff is to paint the wheels with a mix of khaki and rust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Hi I Was wondering if you Would be able to change the wheels to 14mm, with out having to cut up the model a bit to make them fit? Darreno1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2010 Different stock of a similar era, this picture shows what I always regarded a common mismatch in buffer heights when running in the mid 1960's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Darren it has been mention maybe on the warley thread or i was told at Warley, that there was a Stove R Van on i think its the Ian Allen (think it was) stand which had the wheels changed to the bigger size, which was on display, sadly i never got round to that stand so i cant say i saw it. But apparently its possible, If i come across the comment again i'll post a link to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Different stock of a similar era, this picture shows what I always regarded a common mismatch in buffer heights when running in the mid 1960's. Where was that taken out of interest? Nice post '64 box lettering on the BR brake. Mismatch in height is probably at the prototype limit there outside of industrial settings, loco needs some attention it seems (mind you by that time read scrapping!). The earlier shot on Hinton Parva was a bit different as the buffers were much further off though as the loco was lower again I have no idea which was right there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Darren it has been mention maybe on the warley thread or i was told at Warley, that there was a Stove R Van on i think its the Ian Allen (think it was) stand which had the wheels changed to the bigger size, which was on display, sadly i never got round to that stand so i cant say i saw it. But apparently its possible, If i come across the comment again i'll post a link to it. 'twas I, see post #209 on page 9 of this very thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Must of missed that one... I did look and thought to myself the wheels don't look that bad... now i know why Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 3, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2010 Where was that taken out of interest? Nice post '64 box lettering on the BR brake. Mismatch in height is probably at the prototype limit there outside of industrial settings, loco needs some attention it seems (mind you by that time read scrapping!). Picture taken from Platform 6 at Snow Hill, train on the Up Main just north of Gt Charles St bridge, late '64 I think. Loco was from Stourbridge Junction and interestingly still had all of its plates. Many had started to lose them by then. Scrapped in autumn 1965. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Anyone tried coupling these models using close-coupling couplers (eg. Roco)? I believe they have close-coupling-cam mounted NEM pockets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Anyone tried coupling these models using close-coupling couplers (eg. Roco)? I believe they have close-coupling-cam mounted NEM pockets. Surely you must realise that not many people have laid hands of these thing yet, never mind rebuilt them:blink: . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Not wishing to stray off the subject too much but mis-matched coupling heights are no better for modern image. MW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Not wishing to stray off the subject too much but mis-matched coupling heights are no better for modern image. MW There's something VERY wrong with that 08 - looks very nose-heavy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Peter Beckett Posted December 5, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2010 Making allowances for the odd snow storm, has anyone had a delivery of one yet? Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 5, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 5, 2010 There's something VERY wrong with that 08 - looks very nose-heavy ... yes: the leading spring looks to be more heavily loaded than the other two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Not wishing to stray off the subject too much but mis-matched coupling heights are no better for modern image. MW That's the trouble when fitting a decoder, the body never seems to go back the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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