RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2012 When I look for GWR RTR coaches from Hornby/Bachmann (in particular) and others, I'm always surprised on how little choice I have in terms of variety. Bachmann has the Collett coaches and Hornby has the Hawkesworth coaches, but they are mostly all 1st/3rd composites and brake coaches. I know that Hornby are coming out with surburban coaches and an autocoach next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Interesting observation. I think that the types of carriage behind such as a 'Star' class in pre-war years for say a West-of-England express would be lovely, and wonder which would be most likely for RTR production. The Bachmann Colletts dont really look too flash to my eyes. For even older GWR trains I wonder if the Hornby celestories would have any authenticity? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Hi All, The Hornby clerestories are not based on any particular prototype as such or are only loosely associated to a diagram I believe but can be converted to recognisable prototypes with a little imagination. The use of etched sides on these or cut and shut can get you a long way. I am sure that the likes of Miss P. and Buffalo will give you the chapter & verse when they get here! What coaches are Hornby doing next year? I don't remember seeing anything about them recently ( or I might be just being a dozy so and so as per usual!). All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 A decent range of proper GWR coaches is long overdue as the Hornby Hawksworth don't fill the void for the period.Perhaps they will follow after the release of the Star class and other GWR Castles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 What coaches are Hornby doing next year? I don't remember seeing anything about them recently ( or I might be just being a dozy so and so as per usual!). All the best, Castle What Hornby have announced is a re-release of their Airfix B sets and Autocaoch held over from this years catalogue. Regrettably it neither are new toolings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Given the Hawksworths aren't really 'GWR' in strict time period, yes, there is a surprising lack of RTR GWR coaches, the only decent offerings being first produced by Mainline and Airfix in the '80s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 22, 2012 A newly tooled B-Set and autocoach is long overdue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Hi All, I am surprised that the Hawksworth Autocoach wasn't one of the ones done in that batch of coaches that Hornby produced recently. It wouldn't have interfered with the Collett version (as it could be a railroad item and the Dart Castings kit will do a nice detail job on it). I don't expect we will see that any time soon now though. It really is a case of building kits as far as most accurate GWR coaches in OO are concerned. All the best, Castle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2012 It really needs some of Mr Churchward's toplights preferably in 60' and 70' versions especially brake compo's in the 60' range for through workings. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 A modern standard version of the 57' bow ended stock would cover a long period and many liveries from fully-lined GWR to BR maroon (and grubby departmental!). Much more useful than Hawksworths to pre-war GWR locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Given the Hawksworths aren't really 'GWR' in strict time period, yes, there is a surprising lack of RTR GWR coaches, the only decent offerings being first produced by Mainline and Airfix in the '80s. Thanks for that link. I had forgotten about the Hornby 'Centenary' coaches of which I once had a few. Those 1938 Colletts by Bachmann also... but it may well be a safe area for personal carriage building... toplights and bow-ends, choke, gasp! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 23, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2012 Hi All, It really is a case of building kits as far as most accurate GWR coaches in OO are concerned. All the best, Castle Yes at the moment but I find my RTR engines struggle with a rake of say Comet coaches. Would welcome some toplights with open arms. Those Bachmann Colletts were good in their day and must be 30 years old from Mainline tooling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Those Bachmann Colletts were good in their day and must be 30 years old from Mainline tooling. And Bachmann modified the original tooling to make them LESS accurate. The windows are smaller on the later ones compared to the original Mainline - altered for production reasons I am told. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danemouth Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 My abiding memory of trips from Cardiff to Barry Island as a child was of long trains pulled by Prairies of non corridor stock. I wish somebody would produce GWR non corridor coaches! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 My abiding memory of trips from Cardiff to Barry Island as a child was of long trains pulled by Prairies of non corridor stock. I wish somebody would produce GWR non corridor coaches! For GWR non-corridor stock you can make a fairly representative range by putting Comet sides over a B-set body. For improved accuracy you might want to adjust the vents to suit the new diagram. They are only £10 a pair. http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/modules/viewcategory.php/GWR%20Coach%20Kits%20and%20Sides Off the top of my head you should be able to get away with the following diagrams. W21 Third Non-gangwayed-Bow end C61/63 60' 1930 W22 Composite Non-g.wayed-Bow end E141 60' 1930 W23 Brake Third Non gangwayed Bow end D109 60' 1930 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Going of what is available, there isn't a lot of joined up thinking at either Bachmann or Hornby. Hornby's SR M7 needs a push pull set of pre-group or Mansell origins, Bachmanns LMS Ivatt 2-6-2T needs a push pull driving trailer. Hornby's passenger tender engines need 1923-29 bow-ended Collett coaches including a Diner, Hornby's Gresley corridor coaches need a Diner as does the LMS Stanier range and so-on. Maybe one day perhaps.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwd Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 With all these lovely new tooled GWR locos recently and the Star just pre-ordered I have no decent new tooled pre-war GWR coaches for it to pull. i can only wish.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted December 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2012 Both the Slaters Toplight and non-corridor Clerestory plastic kits appearto be back on the market: http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/index.php?cPath=60_67&osCsid=k9781khntq4cghth14rqm145c2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2012 Both the Slaters Toplight and non-corridor Clerestory plastic kits appearto be back on the market: http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/index.php?cPath=60_67&osCsid=k9781khntq4cghth14rqm145c2 I wonder if I started building one someone would announce a rtr version to be released soon. Not much detail given on whats in the D74 57' Toplight box by Coopercraft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danemouth Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 For GWR non-corridor stock you can make a fairly representative range by putting Comet sides over a B-set body. For improved accuracy you might want to adjust the vents to suit the new diagram. They are only £10 a pair. http://www.cometmodels.co.uk/modules/viewcategory.php/GWR%20Coach%20Kits%20and%20Sides Off the top of my head you should be able to get away with the following diagrams. W21 Third Non-gangwayed-Bow end C61/63 60' 1930 W22 Composite Non-g.wayed-Bow end E141 60' 1930 W23 Brake Third Non gangwayed Bow end D109 60' 1930 Thanks for the info Karhedron, Regrettably building such kits is well beyond my skill set Regards, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Both the Slaters Toplight and non-corridor Clerestory plastic kits appearto be back on the market: http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/index.php?cPath=60_67&osCsid=k9781khntq4cghth14rqm145c2 That's a good sign even if there's obviously more work to be done on the Cooper Craft web site. With luck, we may eventually see some of the Blacksmith brass kits. Neither will help those looking for RTR solutions but it's probably the only way we'll get any early 20th or late 19th century coaches. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2012 I wonder if I started building one someone would announce a rtr version to be released soon. Not much detail given on whats in the D74 57' Toplight box by Coopercraft. Mr Coopercraft is on RMweb Rob so you could possibly drop him a PM (kits from somerset). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fender Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 I had been wondering this as well, but I've decided to go down the kit route so hopefully it will be a blessing in disguise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted December 24, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2012 Both the Slaters Toplight and non-corridor Clerestory plastic kits appearto be back on the market: http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/index.php?cPath=60_67&osCsid=k9781khntq4cghth14rqm145c2 Thanks for that. I wonder if I started building one someone would announce a rtr version to be released soon. Not much detail given on whats in the D74 57' Toplight box by Coopercraft. Hi Rob, I have made two of the Toplights, which are both very nice carriages. The kit from Slaters used to include everything you need (apart from the usual paint & glue!). Has anyone made the Clerestory carriages? They also look good, but I've no first hand experience! Ages ago, I tried the Blacksmith Clerestory sleeper, but did not get on very well with the roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 24, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2012 What period is the D47 57' version suitable for and what are the destructions like in these kits . Any photos Neal ? Theres confusion over the diagram number of these as the Coopercraft website says D74 but this old ebay listing photo says D47. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Slaters-GWR-57-Toplight-Brake-Third-Coach-/160887934610?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2575ab0e92&nma=true&si=G5DUG%2BqePtE6oDsGpjVE%2FA0TtB0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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