RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 I plan to weather mine based on various photos I have of 64xx panniers in Gloucestershire including the Forest of Dean. I couldn't work out what was not quite right - then it dawned on me that in virtualy all the photos(both in day to day use and on SLS specials) the safety valve is metal rather than body colour - I've done a bit of painting. Chris 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Just found a nice photo of 5409 in lined black livery in 1950. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p200288452/h2a1defb3#h2a1defb3 Does anyone know of any members of the 6400 class that received lined black livery? I know most of the were unlined but I have always found it to be a rather boring livery. good find. No crest/emblem either; wonder if it ever got one in that livery. I have checked the 1952 photo and the lining is still present but no sign of any crest. I would guess it never got one in that livery. No evidence of any 64XX in lined black, as far as I can see.You appear to be correct. I have found an article on the GWR Org website that mentions 5409 as being lined but saying that it does not think any members of the 64xx series were lined. A bit of a pity as I like the lining. I model in N Gauge so I could probably renumber a 64xx as 5409. The difference in wheel size in that scale is ~1mm an not likely to be noticeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 I believe that the black lined panniers (8750, 15XX etc.) were done in connection with having something 'a little smarter' to work the ECS trains in to Paddington from Old Oak Common. As the 64XX type weren't used for those duties, it's not a surprise to me that they weren't given the mixed traffic lining when in the black livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I believe that the black lined panniers (8750, 15XX etc.) were done in connection with having something 'a little smarter' to work the ECS trains in to Paddington from Old Oak Common. As the 64XX type weren't used for those duties, it's not a surprise to me that they weren't given the mixed traffic lining when in the black livery.In many cases you are quite right however that does not explain them all. A handful of tank engines received line black that had no obvious connection any any prestige duties including 5409, 1470, 5816, 4409, 5173 and 5527. I suspect that some were either lined out in error or were painted before Swindon had reached and disseminated a clear policy on which locos were to be lined and which were not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) In many cases you are quite right however that does not explain them all. A handful of tank engines received line black that had no obvious connection any any prestige duties including 5409, 1470, 5816, 4409, 5173 and 5527. I suspect that some were either lined out in error or were painted before Swindon had reached and disseminated a clear policy on which locos were to be lined and which were not. If any of the above were London-allocated locos, that might go part of the way to explaining it. I suspect that 5409 may have worked on the London-area auto trains, for example, although 4409 is a bit of a puzzle. Edit - The Pannier Papers confirm that 5409 was given lined black livery by Wolverhampton Works as early as 1949. Given that this was a London-area allocated loco at the time, I suspect that the theory of having certain London-based locos in lined black may still hold true here. However, the early application of the lined black livery may also have been an 'experiment'... Edited April 1, 2015 by Captain Kernow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Despite cancelling my pre order I weakened and purchased the lined green 6412 version from Lord and Butler. Fabulous model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted April 4, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 4, 2015 Question please, ladies & gents... When did 6425 recieve top feed? Many thanks, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted April 5, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 5, 2015 Question please, ladies & gents... When did 6425 recieve top feed? Many thanks, Ian Sorry, give up. What's the answer? :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted April 5, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2015 Sorry, give up. What's the answer? :-) The answer I seek is wether 6425 had a top feed fitted during it's working life, and if so, when.... All of my photographs show 6425 without said topfeed, but, I've seen a Bachmann model re-numbered as said locomotive. I'd really like one of these, but without the feed. So...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted April 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2015 The answer I seek is wether 6425 had a top feed fitted during it's working life, and if so, when.... All of my photographs show 6425 without said topfeed, but, I've seen a Bachmann model re-numbered as said locomotive. I'd really like one of these, but without the feed. So...... On page 6 of 'The Pannier Papers' covering the 54Xx/64XX/74XX, it describes how some of the 74XX were built with top feeds from new, and then goes on to say that top feeds were then fitted to the rest of the 64XX and 74XX classes, so it would appear that 6425 did eventually acquire one. Perhaps a dated photograph is your best guide. I know what I would do if I wanted that number of loco but didn't want to take the possibly considerable risk of trying to remove the moulded top feed neatly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted April 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2015 On page 6 of 'The Pannier Papers' covering the 54Xx/64XX/74XX, it describes how some of the 74XX were built with top feeds from new, and then goes on to say that top feeds were then fitted to the rest of the 64XX and 74XX classes, so it would appear that 6425 did eventually acquire one. Perhaps a dated photograph is your best guide. I know what I would do if I wanted that number of loco but didn't want to take the possibly considerable risk of trying to remove the moulded top feed neatly... On page 6 of 'The Pannier Papers' covering the 54Xx/64XX/74XX, it describes how some of the 74XX were built with top feeds from new, and then goes on to say that top feeds were then fitted to the rest of the 64XX and 74XX classes, so it would appear that 6425 did eventually acquire one. Perhaps a dated photograph is your best guide. I know what I would do if I wanted that number of loco but didn't want to take the possibly considerable risk of trying to remove the moulded top feed neatly... Thank you for your reply Cap'n. My books are packed away, due to house moves. 6425 had a spell at Llantrisant, but my photos of the loco at Cowbridge show no top feed. Lord & Butler have a nice model of the loco on sale, but topfeed..... Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted April 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 7, 2015 (edited) Thank you for your reply Cap'n. My books are packed away, due to house moves. 6425 had a spell at Llantrisant, but my photos of the loco at Cowbridge show no top feed. Lord & Butler have a nice model of the loco on sale, but topfeed..... Ian Do you know the date of the photos at Cowbridge, Ian? If you haven't got the book to hand, can you recall which one it was, if I have a copy I could check the date. If I see any photos of the loco with a top feed, I'll let you know... I've had a look through most of my books covering South Wales and whilst there are a lot of photos of 64XXs in action, most of these seem to have top feeds. Just one or two didn't, and they were probably scrapped like that. Couldn't find any photos of 6425, even though she was a South Wales engine around that time. Would a different numbered South Wales-based 64XX with a top feed do? Edited April 7, 2015 by Captain Kernow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Gilbert Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2015 My version now weathered... 23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwell Hall Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 6412 C.JPG My version now weathered... Very nice Gilbert - I should like to pop down and take a look at that sometime! Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted April 11, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2015 Photos make it look a bit grey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Whats there best matching paints to the green and black liveries on the 64XX? Gordon A Bristol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Just got back from a month in the UK to find my Hattons preorder 64xx had arrived. Have to say very nice job by Bachmann ! A great addition to the Lofty fleet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted April 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2015 Whats there best matching paints to the green and black liveries on the 64XX? Gordon A Bristol Wouldn't the usual Precision BR passenger green do it, Gordon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted April 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 14, 2015 Photos make it look a bit grey! I've just seem Tim Shackleton's version in Hornby Mag - I think I can probably add a few more small improvements. Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Got around to weathering my green 64XX in time for Trainwest last weekend. Also crew, etched plates, lamp. Terry Earl's Court Model Railway ecmr.webs.com 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It seems a shame on a lined green loco. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 It seems a shame on a lined green loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry.ecmr Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The weathering is based on a photo of actual 64xx lined green locomotive. Terry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 16, 2015 It seems a shame on a lined green loco. It does, but oh so prototypical of the times. I very seldom saw a clean Steam Locomotive in the sixties except for a Special or depot pet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted April 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 16, 2015 Mine was certainly based on photos of the real thing mainly around Herefordshire/Gloucestershire and even when "clean" they were quite grubby. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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