Adrock Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) I wonder who'll be trying to fit the 5'2" wheels from the Collett Goods to this one, to try and turn it into a 54xx? Is the wheel spacing accurate on the Collett Goods for use in a 54xx? Would be interesting to test fit, I seem to remember the motor in the Collett is a can motor standing up in the firebox... Edited March 17, 2015 by Adrock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 17, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2015 The 54xx were 7'4" + 7'4", the Collett Goods was 7'3"+ 8’3". So it's only the wheels themselves that are the same, ie 5’2". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted March 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2015 So, that means you use the 5'2" wheels, and the 64xx coupling rods.... So, that means you use the 5'2" wheels, and the 64xx coupling rods.... So, that means you use the 5'2" wheels, and the 64xx coupling rods.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 18, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2015 So, that means you use the 5'2" wheels, and the 64xx coupling rods.... Assumes that the axles are the same size on both locos... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Is the wheel spacing accurate on the Collett Goods for use in a 54xx? Would be interesting to test fit, I seem to remember the motor in the Collett is a can motor standing up in the firebox... What doesn't work is, the often mentioned issue, that the Bachmann Collett goods has incorrect undersized wheels. The Bachmann Collett has the smaller size 4ft 7" wheels from the Pannier fitted rather than 5ft 2" it should have. Basically the Bachmann Collett wheels are the same size as the 64xx. If you are sceptical of this, I have just checked my ROD tendered Collett from a recent batch and they are still way too small. They come out about 18mm rather than the 21mm they should be. Mike Wiltshire Edited March 18, 2015 by Coach bogie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam in the North West Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 A series that I have been working on and this one is of 6412. Its a great model and was just a spur of the moment thing when I saw it and its fantastic! Hope you all enjoy. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2015 Mine arrived yesterday, but appears to have a problem; bunker first there is an intermittent - but not regular - click and a slight hesitation. Chimney first is worse - every now and than it won't start away smoothly but sits motionless, shooting off at warp speed when given a bit more power. I'll persevere with running in for a while before I make a decision, hopefully things might settle down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Mine arrived yesterday, but appears to have a problem; bunker first there is an intermittent - but not regular - click and a slight hesitation. Chimney first is worse - every now and than it won't start away smoothly but sits motionless, shooting off at warp speed when given a bit more power. I'll persevere with running in for a while before I make a decision, hopefully things might settle down. I would send it back and exchange it: mine ran superbly straight out of the box (slow speed included) and this was with an old Bachmann train set controller that I use for testing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Mine arrived yesterday, but appears to have a problem; bunker first there is an intermittent - but not regular - click and a slight hesitation. Chimney first is worse - every now and than it won't start away smoothly but sits motionless, shooting off at warp speed when given a bit more power. I'll persevere with running in for a while before I make a decision, hopefully things might settle down. Picked mine (a 6412) up on Thursday. It's now had a couple of hours on the rolling road [using old Gaugemaster controller) and is silky smooth - almost as good as the 1F (and that's saying something). Yours definitely doesn't sound right and I'd be inclined not to wait too long before getting it replaced (i.e. while there is still a replacement to be had). John Edited March 21, 2015 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2015 Mine arrived yesterday, but appears to have a problem; bunker first there is an intermittent - but not regular - click and a slight hesitation. Chimney first is worse - every now and than it won't start away smoothly but sits motionless, shooting off at warp speed when given a bit more power. I'll persevere with running in for a while before I make a decision, hopefully things might settle down. Take it back, mate. You can usually tell with this kind of thing whether it will smooth itself out with a bit of running in , or not (and unfortunately it's usually a case of 'not' in my personal experience, if you don't get a good one from the start). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 22, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2015 Thanks for the sound advice everyone! In my experience however, the problem with returning something is that it always works perfectly when demonstrated to the seller (S*d's Law). I'll give it until early next week, test it a few more times and make a decision then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted March 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'd take it back Colin. Mine runs perfectly smoothly from a crawl. So the behaviour yours is exhibiting is not typical. Just watch they are not sold out before you get to return it. Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted March 23, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2015 This was uploaded to Flickr today, a nice shot of 6430 in 1962: https://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/16285939233/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted March 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2015 Further to previous posts, the loco now runs beautifully - smooth and quiet, all traces of former gremlins now vanished. Guess I'll be keeping it now - there's no way I could convince the most reasonable of model shop owners (and I bought it from one of the best) that it's not fit for purpose. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted March 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi gents, This has probably been written on here, but I can't find it! Which locomotives in the 64xx range can the Bachmann model be turned into? Ideally I'd like to model the locomotives below. 6414 - BR Black with early crest. (Which I know is fine) 6421 - BR lined green with early crest 6430 - BR lined green with late crest. Regards, Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedfordtfc Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 What doesn't work is, the often mentioned issue, that the Bachmann Collett goods has incorrect undersized wheels. The Bachmann Collett has the smaller size 4ft 7" wheels from the Pannier fitted rather than 5ft 2" it should have. Basically the Bachmann Collett wheels are the same size as the 64xx. If you are sceptical of this, I have just checked my ROD tendered Collett from a recent batch and they are still way too small. They come out about 18mm rather than the 21mm they should be. Mike Wiltshire Funny you should say that. I bought a 2251 with the ROD tender specifically for repowering a Lima 94xx, then realised the Collett (should have) had 5'2" wheels. Perhaps it was karma !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawyermodels Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 even though i model modern image they are superb locos can i think of a way to get one on my layout? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi gents, This has probably been written on here, but I can't find it! Which locomotives in the 64xx range can the Bachmann model be turned into? Ideally I'd like to model the locomotives below. 6414 - BR Black with early crest. (Which I know is fine) 6421 - BR lined green with early crest 6430 - BR lined green with late crest. Regards, Nick. Surgery is required for 6430 - look at the pic posted upthread - as it has the later pattern cab/bunker arrangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted March 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2015 even though i model modern image they are superb locos can i think of a way to get one on my layout? Apply rule 1: It's my layout and I'll run what I like. Alternatively, run a preserved steam special. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 28, 2015 Hi gents, This has probably been written on here, but I can't find it! Which locomotives in the 64xx range can the Bachmann model be turned into? Ideally I'd like to model the locomotives below. 6414 - BR Black with early crest. (Which I know is fine) 6421 - BR lined green with early crest 6430 - BR lined green with late crest. Regards, Nick. 6414 - presumably you've checked that it was still in black in your timescale (not all received lined green, anyway) 6421 - no problem with the current Bachmann model, just change the crest and number plates 6430 - this was the first of the 'square bunker corner' batch, also with no lip on the cab roof overhang, so you'd either need to choose another number or do a bit of modification work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just found a nice photo of 5409 in lined black livery in 1950. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p200288452/h2a1defb3#h2a1defb3 Does anyone know of any members of the 6400 class that received lined black livery? I know most of the were unlined but I have always found it to be a rather boring livery. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Riley Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just found a nice photo of 5409 in lined black livery in 1950. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p200288452/h2a1defb3#h2a1defb3 Does anyone know of any members of the 6400 class that received lined black livery? I know most of the were unlined but I have always found it to be a rather boring livery. And I see that even in 1950 it didn't have topfeed. I hope Bachmann follow up with a 54xx in pre-war condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just found a nice photo of 5409 in lined black livery in 1950. http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p200288452/h2a1defb3#h2a1defb3 Does anyone know of any members of the 6400 class that received lined black livery? I know most of the were unlined but I have always found it to be a rather boring livery. good find. No crest/emblem either; wonder if it ever got one in that livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 good find. No crest/emblem either; wonder if it ever got one in that livery. I haven't been able to find any other pictures. There is a back volume of GWRJ with a shot of it at Windsor a couple of years later that might be worth trying to track down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 30, 2015 No evidence of any 64XX in lined black, as far as I can see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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