RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Look on the bright side CK at least where I live I can walk to a 24hr opening Tesco but unfortunately I can't see the remnants of the old Kingsbridge branch like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 Look on the bright side CK at least where I live I can walk to a 24hr opening Tesco but unfortunately I can't see the remnants of the old Kingsbridge branch like you. Rob, please tell us this isn't you. Yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 On further investigation it appears I have one of these too.Would it have run with GWR clays and did these have tarps too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) ECC was previously ECLP ( English Clays, Lovering and Pochin) , but I don't think this existed prior to 1948. Edit : ECLP was formed in the early 1930s Http://www.mining-memorabilia.co.uk/eclp_cothers_check.htm Edited May 21, 2016 by Stubby47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 (edited) On further investigation it appears I have one of these too.Would it have run with GWR clays and did these have tarps too. St Austell, the home of High Speed Diesel, yum! Edited May 21, 2016 by Tim Dubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 ECC was previously ECLP ( English Clays, Lovering and Pochin) , but I don't think this existed prior to 1948. Edit : ECLP was formed in the early 1930s Http://www.mining-memorabilia.co.uk/eclp_cothers_check.htm Another alternative would be to remove most of the lettering and make it filthy or move it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 unfortunately I can't see the remnants of the old Kingsbridge branch like you. Bits of it disappearing by the day, seemingly, as the new 'Palstone Meadows' housing takes shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 On further investigation it appears I have one of these too.Would it have run with GWR clays and did these have tarps too. 33-054-LN_3158175_Qty1_ruler.jpeg For your sake Rob I would love to be proven wrong but having searched around a bit I can't find any photos of a clay wagon of that type carrying such a livery. I've a horrible feeling it's another fictitious livery on a generic wagon type product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 For your sake Rob I would love to be proven wrong but having searched around a bit I can't find any photos of a clay wagon of that type carrying such a livery. I've a horrible feeling it's another fictitious livery on a generic wagon type product. That's interesting Chris as Bachmann, Hornby and POWsides have all released one in the livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hi Rob, I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/ http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083 In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon would work. Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains&armour Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Robbies rolling stock does a nice ECLP wagon: http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Eng_Clays_Lovering.jpg And Dapol seems to have released a double pack once But my research suggests that after the merger in 1930 of the three biggest china clay companies into ECLP grey with white lettering became the firms preferred livery. So in that regard, only the wagon from Robbies would fit your layout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hi Rob, I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/ http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083 In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon would work. Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3 Good finds there chap. Interesting though that the ECC wagons in the photos and video appear to be end tippers. Presumably for the apparatus at Fowey. Many of the wagons also appear to have wooden frames. So is Rob's wagon an authentic livery (although some threads appear to say grey rather than red for some periods) plonked on a generic wagon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains&armour Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 You're going, if I remember to pick you up... Could you pick me up as well.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 That's interesting Chris as Bachmann, Hornby and POWsides have all released one in the livery. Hornby also did Kit Kat, Fish Finger and Prime Pork wagons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 Could you pick me up as well.....? Yes, if you make your way to Rob's house.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Interesting point picked up during one of the videos is that the opens used in this traffic had no internal metal framing, due to the fact that the rust from them would ruin the clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hornby also did Kit Kat, Fish Finger and Prime Pork wagons.... Yes I know because I have them all.Looking for a Charles and Diana wedding liveried one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted May 21, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Yes, if you make your way to Rob's house.... Quite a lot of his Ebay purchases do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 Interesting point picked up during one of the videos is that the opens used in this traffic had no internal metal framing, due to the fact that the rust from them would ruin the clay In a lot of the clay end door wagons the bottom planking ran end to end rather than side to side. I believe this was to help the clay slide out. Some were also lined (zinc?) to stop the clay getting stained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hi Rob, I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/ http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083 In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon would work. Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3 Thank you for posting this link to the Fowey workings. I came back from a week in Fowey yesterday ( 2 hrs in the jam around Ivybridge) and wondered how the ECC traffic was shipped out. Next time I'll be on the A30!Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains&armour Posted May 21, 2016 Share Posted May 21, 2016 Yes I know because I have them all.Looking for a Charles and Diana wedding liveried one too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-R042-RAILMAIL-SPECIAL-VAN-PRINCE-CHARLES-LADY-DIANA-SPENCER-ROYAL-WEDDING-/301955174895?hash=item464dee51ef:g:rYUAAOSwl-FXNNNy Don't thank me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Limpley Stoker Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Hi Rob, I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/ http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083 In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon would work. Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3 Mr Cholmondley-Warner says 'coal was short and so were the men'... He wouldn't have said that in the Rashleigh Arms......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Mr Cholmondley-Warner says 'coal was short and so were the men'... He wouldn't have said that in the Rashleigh Arms......... That was my favourite line too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2016 Agree - a glass fibre pen, some heavy clay weathering and a tarp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold colin penfold Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ian-Kirk-8807-GWR-20T-china-clay-wagon-4mm-00-scale-plastic-kit-to-diagram-013-/172215001243?nav=SEARCH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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