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Look on the bright side CK at least where I live I can walk to a 24hr opening Tesco but unfortunately I can't see the remnants of the old Kingsbridge branch like you.

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Look on the bright side CK at least where I live I can walk to a 24hr opening Tesco but unfortunately I can't see the remnants of the old Kingsbridge branch like you.

Rob, please tell us this isn't you. post-2326-0-25734200-1463830746.jpg

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ECC was previously ECLP ( English Clays, Lovering and Pochin) , but I don't think this existed prior to 1948.

 

 

Edit : ECLP was formed in the early 1930s

 

 

 

Http://www.mining-memorabilia.co.uk/eclp_cothers_check.htm

Another alternative would be to remove most of the lettering and make it filthy or move it on.

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On further investigation it appears I have one of these too.Would it have run with GWR clays and did these have tarps too.

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For your sake Rob I would love to be proven wrong but having searched around a bit I can't find any photos of a clay wagon of that type carrying such a livery. I've a horrible feeling it's another fictitious livery on a generic wagon type product.

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For your sake Rob I would love to be proven wrong but having searched around a bit I can't find any photos of a clay wagon of that type carrying such a livery. I've a horrible feeling it's another fictitious livery on a generic wagon type product.

That's interesting Chris as Bachmann, Hornby and POWsides have all released one in the livery.

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Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

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Robbies rolling stock does a nice ECLP wagon:

http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk/images/S_West/Eng_Clays_Lovering.jpg

And Dapol seems to have released a double pack once

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But my research suggests that after the merger in 1930 of the three biggest china clay companies into ECLP grey with white lettering became the firms preferred livery. So in that regard, only the wagon from Robbies would fit your layout.

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Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

Good finds there chap.

 

Interesting though that the ECC wagons in the photos and video appear to be end tippers. Presumably for the apparatus at Fowey. Many of the wagons also appear to have wooden frames.

 

So is Rob's wagon an authentic livery (although some threads appear to say grey rather than red for some periods) plonked on a generic wagon?

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Hornby also did Kit Kat, Fish Finger and Prime Pork wagons....

Yes I know because I have them all.Looking for a Charles and Diana wedding liveried one too.

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Interesting point picked up during one of the videos is that the opens used in this traffic had no internal metal framing, due to the fact that the rust from them would ruin the clay

In a lot of the clay end door wagons the bottom planking ran end to end rather than side to side. I believe this was to help the clay slide out. Some were also lined (zinc?) to stop the clay getting stained.

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Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

Thank you for posting this link to the Fowey workings. I came back from a week in Fowey yesterday ( 2 hrs in the jam around Ivybridge) and wondered how the ECC traffic was shipped out. Next time I'll be on the A30!

Mike

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Hi Rob,

 

I am resting a sore back and it has been raining in Headingly so I had a bit of a google for you. The livery you have would appear to be authentic but for a slightly earlier period

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64673-english-china-clay-ltd-wagons-in-the-1940s/

 

http://cornishmemory.com/item/WMA_P1_1_083

 

In this video at about 4 mins in, you will see an ECC liveried vehicle being tippled into a ship at Fowey Harbour during the right sort of era. The film does dart about through time but I think this bit is late "big 4". You can just about see the livery under the white of the clay. It seems to have the Lovering lettering but I reckon your suggestion of weathering the heck out of your wagon  would work.  Leaving a bit of the word English and perhaps St Austell, but covering or removing the area where the lettering would differ?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtKnNWfMmnE

 

I also found some Mr Cholmondley-Warner footage which has no trains in it but is worth a watch

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/china-clay-3

Mr Cholmondley-Warner says 'coal was short and so were the men'...

He wouldn't have said that in the Rashleigh Arms.........

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