RMweb Premium Gary H Posted February 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2014 Ive got no info from Dawlish today unfortunately. Ive instead been involved with the S&T damage at Penzance which is fairly extensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 On latest cam screen grab a giant orange spider has come to help 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 On latest cam screen grab a giant orange spider has come to help camputerb86.jpg That's a massive amount of concrete they're pumping in there; hope the weather stays calm until it's gone off properly. That sea looks like a mill pond at the moment; amazing how quickly it can change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 That's a massive amount of concrete they're pumping in there; hope the weather stays calm until it's gone off properly. That sea looks like a mill pond at the moment; amazing how quickly it can change. yes you cant fault the lads for getting in there to crack on with the job as time & weather allows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2014 The latest media reports are that NR were working towards reopening in time for Easter, but that may have gone down the pan after the further damage last Friday. SS edit. To get rid of spurious capitals. Easter is the revised estimate following last Friday's additional damage. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 That's a massive amount of concrete they're pumping in there; hope the weather stays calm until it's gone off properly. That sea looks like a mill pond at the moment; amazing how quickly it can change. Yes, I'm a little surprised they didn't build the wall itself up a bit higher first to help keep the water out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2014 If the lows track in a Northerly or NNE direction as arrowed on the map then there's a good change the highs will track just to the south of us giving us a decent bit of weather which will help all tbe trouble spots here and the good folk working on them. I have everything crossed. SS Unfortunately the local weather forecast is not backing this up, they are giving showery with an increase in wind speed, but luckily enough not as bad as we've had, about 12mm of rain and winds of about 50mph. This is over the next few days'til Saturday. SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 18, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yes, I'm a little surprised they didn't build the wall itself up a bit higher first to help keep the water out. Or IN? Andi 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I suspect that this was probably the weakest section of the wall, owing to the lower footpath at this point (so the wall itself isn't as thick) and possibly outward thrust on the wall from the weight of the buildings behind it. It appears obvious that the wall and path alongside the the railway needs raising to a sensible height to a stronger design. The talk of 'modern' curved walls to turn back the force of the waves seems sensible as demonstrated by the 'relatively' minor damage to the sea wall between Teignmouth and Parsons Tunnel. (see Rod's (10800) post 471 on this thread. A comparison between the two walls in better days. Dawlish June 1989 Teignmouth July 1986 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandman Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Here is a short video made from pictures of the web cam at Dawlish, taken between 1500 and 2200 hrs today. I hope the weather holds like it is in this clip so that NR can really make inroads in to repairing this major rail link to the South-west. I wish CK and all his colleagues all the best and stay safe. http://youtu.be/1qzXLN899yw 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 A concrete formed wall that deflects wave power back out to sea or dissipates it into the air could be one alternative approach. Thats what I was thinking, they have those at Blackpool and New Brighton I think. not a big fan of the idea that in bad but not extreme conditions water gets onto the ballast to affect running, hence my sketches earlier,I wasnt thinking for extreme conditions when the wall could be breached but more everyday bad conditions,ie weather dies down and can be brought back to use without any shifting of track. Even if you build the wall strong enough to resist it being demolished, these waves we've seen are still strong enough to force over a train passing over it so you could have a disaster either way. I just like the idea that if the weather is so bad, trains can be halted until it dies down and then continue on later with no risk of track shifting. Ive been watching the dambusters too much, another example of how powerful water can be, no matter how strong the structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 A comparison between the two walls in better days. Dawlish June 1989 Teignmouth July 1986 Interesting that the current breach seems to have occurred at the change in direction of the wall adjacent to the house with the brown paint. Also there's a significant patch of rebuilding as indicated by the clean stone under the semaphore. Not going to mention the double-headed "freight" though - jammy *!*!*!*!*! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Latest screen pic although resized bigger to see better work detail been done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not according to the picture Yorkie posted.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie_pudd Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Am I correct that the new wall is already above the level of the protective row of containers? Looking half hour ago and current cam screen, it seams the wall rebuild nearest cam is about same level as top of containers, and to the far end the wall is level-ish with the new concrete so about 3 to 4 foot lower then the containers. but CK or Gary will be able to confirm better then cam view angle. still amazing what they have managed to do in such a short time period with weather interruptions they`ve had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Depot Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 What if, anything is happening with the houses where the ground dropped infront of them? Will they be saved or have to come down some stage? At least the railway foundation work is looking good. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) From the Network Rail daily bulletin...... Latest news 19 February 2014We will be working round the clock with dedicated resources day and night to accelerate the programe of repairs, and anticipate the railway will be restored by mid-April 2014. A concrete foundation is laid in the main breach as well as the secondary breach at Dawlish Warren. Repairs have started to the station platform, and more debris is being cleared along the costal route. Until the line reopens train services are running between Exeter and London, and between Newton Abbot and Penzance with bus services linking these. From the NR Webcam - Today 19th Feb. Here. Two days ago - Here. One of the other smaller breaches - Here. . Edited February 19, 2014 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2014 One of the other smaller breaches - Here.. With a small washout like this where the track has hung and sagged under its own weight will the track need to be replaced or will its own elasticity bring it back to normal once the roadbed is built up beneath it? Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 From the Network Rail daily bulletin...... From the NR Webcam - Today 19th Feb. Here. Two days ago - Here. One of the other smaller breaches - Here. . The rail tops have started to rust very quickly!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Anything steel rusts quickly in salt water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 With a small washout like this where the track has hung and sagged under its own weight will the track need to be replaced or will its own elasticity bring it back to normal once the roadbed is built up beneath it? Andi That small breach is so close to the main breach that it may be just as easy to re-lay it when they re-lay the main breach anyway. I may be wrong, but isn't that washout visible in the bottom right corner of the BBC webcam? Either way, it's pretty close to that as it's still on the section of wall where the footpath is lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 With a small washout like this where the track has hung and sagged under its own weight will the track need to be replaced or will its own elasticity bring it back to normal once the roadbed is built up beneath it? Andi Whether or not the existing materials are re-used ( I doubt it - it'll be easier to use new) the track in that area will require completely re-stressing for a distance in either direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted February 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2014 This was in today's Plymouth rag. http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-railway-lifeline-restored-middle-April/story-20659369-detail/story.html and this was tonight's Spotlight report http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-26260053 Cheers SS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2014 Local weather forecaster on BBC Midlands said there was a "possibility" the jet stream, which had moved north as predicted, could move south again next week. Oh Dear! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Bus Driver Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 There were posters up asking for volunteers in our garage to go down there and drive the replacement buses. Rumour has it, however that Stagecoach have undercut us so I'll ask for details tomorrow. Shame, as i've never been to Devon and I'd like to see it for myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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