Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[eastwestdivide]

While we're off topic, I think I heard both bog-cart and bog-unit when I was in Leicester, early 80s, but hadn't heard either term in the late 70s in Kent. Mind you, diesels of any variety other than class 33s were exotic rarities down there, so it wasn't surprising. And I only heard the "Thumper" name for the SR DEMUs many years after I'd left the area. 

 

Back on topic, nice stations and bridges on the Newcastle/Carlisle route. Pity about the [insert nickname here]s and the bus shelters.

[Jon Fitness]

OK so who called a Jinty a Jocko?

P

An ex-fireman friend from Macclesfield referred to them as Jockos or Dobbins. The 08's in Basford Hall were always called Jockos whilst I worked there too.

 

JF

[Oldddudders]

The 08's in Basford Hall were always called Jockos whilst I worked there too.

 

 

The BROS group on Facebook (British Rail Old School), which has a high percentage of footplate staff, often refers to DSLs as Jockos.

[DaveF]

A look at two locations on the line to Clacton this evening, both give "train in the landscape shots".

Some days you simply have to take photos in the rain...

 

 

Thorrington Class 305 Walton to Colchester Feb 75 C1859

 

 

Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1860

 

 

Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1861

 

 

Great Bentley 309604 Walton and Clacton to Liverpool St Oct 75 C2481

 

 

Great Bentley Class 308147 Colchester to Walton Nov 79 J6663

 

Edited for punctuation.

David

Edited August 8, 2014 by DaveF

[Clive Mortimore]

A look at two locations on the line to Clacton this evening, both give "train in the landscape shots.

Some days you simply have to take photos in the rain...

 

 

cd Thorrington Class 305 Walton to Colchester Feb 75 C1859.jpg

Thorrington Class 305 Walton to Colchester Feb 75 C1859

 

 

ce Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1860.jpg

Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1860

 

 

ce Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1861.jpg

Great Bentley Class 305 Colchester to Walton Feb 75 C1861

 

 

ce Great Bentley 309604 Walton and Clacton to Liverpool St Oct 75 C2481.jpg

Great Bentley 309604 Walton and Clacton to Liverpool St Oct 75 C2481

 

 

ce Great Bentley Class 308147 Colchester to Walton Nov 79 J6663.jpg

Great Bentley Class 308147 Colchester to Walton Nov 79 J6663

 

 

David

Oh dear I have come all over funny.........they are wonderful. Plain blue suburban Mk1 EMUs and a real ten car AM9. And thrown in for good luck a Mk1 fixed tension overlap (an OLE thingy).

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Some great photo's here. I always like to see trains running through the landscape. The EMU's look good in the rural surroundings, and I think the rain can add to this atmosphere. Please keep the photo's coming.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[SHMD]

The rain always brings out the colours - from pastels to vivids!

 

 

Kev.

(Just bl00dy awful to wait/stand in!)

[talisman56]

The picture of the Clacton Express units remind me of the period I was studying at the University of Essex - Colchester North to London several times a term to enjoy nights out in the city...

[The Stationmaster]

OK so who called a Jinty a Jocko?

P

The term seems to be, or have become, an LMS/Rism for a shunting engine and is nowadays still widely used in the West Midlands for 350hp/Class 08 diesels.  I have heard it suggested that it originated in respect of the 3Fs some of which came from NBL (hence Jocks, hence Jocko) but i haven't a clue if there is any truth in that one.

[newbryford]

08417 - the resident shunter at RVEL (ex-RTC) Derby is still referred to as a "Jocko" by those of an age that weren't around in the days of steam locos.

 

Cheers,

Mick

[TheSignalEngineer]

That's an interesting 'box at Kildwick. Looks like a Midland railway one thats had a re-build with a gable roof instead of a hipped one. Looks a bit unusual anyway!

JF

 

 

I have a feeling it was an LMS provided one** - hence the non standard bits.

 

** But my memory may be playing tricks.

The front is original Midland by the look of it. The roof is like LMS 1930s style, but the end seems strange. It isn't the usual LMS style, the planking is wrong. to me it looks more like NER planking. 

[Martino]

Great photos. Thank you very much.

 

Back in the late ’60s, on the WR main line at Taplow, we always called DMUs Bog Units.

[trisonic]

Oh dear I have come all over funny.........they are wonderful. Plain blue suburban Mk1 EMUs and a real ten car AM9. And thrown in for good luck a Mk1 fixed tension overlap (an OLE thingy).

I always found them (305s) most comfortable. Did they still use horsehair stuffing over springs in the seats?

Smelt like it on wet days......

 

Best, Pete.

Edited August 9, 2014 by trisonic

[Jon Fitness]

The term seems to be, or have become, an LMS/Rism for a shunting engine and is nowadays still widely used in the West Midlands for 350hp/Class 08 diesels.  I have heard it suggested that it originated in respect of the 3Fs some of which came from NBL (hence Jocks, hence Jocko) but i haven't a clue if there is any truth in that one.

Having worked in several areas over the last 36 years, I've also heard 08s referred to as "Humpies" but where, I can't remember.

JF

[Clive Mortimore]

Having worked in several areas over the last 36 years, I've also heard 08s referred to as "Humpies" but where, I can't remember.

JF

I always call them 350s, no idea where I picked that up from. I have heard ex-ER drivers call them 350s.

 

Wasn't Jocko from the days of shunting horses on the MR where the horse "driver" was called the Jockey, so Jocko became the term for the man/horse/locomotive doing the shunting.

[The Stationmaster]

I always call them 350s, no idea where I picked that up from. I have heard ex-ER drivers call them 350s.

 

Wasn't Jocko from the days of shunting horses on the MR where the horse "driver" was called the Jockey, so Jocko became the term for the man/horse/locomotive doing the shunting.

I have always called them 350s as did most Western folk I came across over the years.  For a long while when someone talked about 'an 08' I hadn't got the faintest idea what they were on about (the same applied to 'jocko' when I first came in contact with Saltley enginemen in the 1980s).

[Rugd1022]

I'd agree on that Mike but quite a few Western men I worked with called them 'pilots' just as often as 350s. Jocko is definitely a Midland Region thing, we always called our 08s / 09s this at Rugby, with one or two calling them 'Dobbins' as well. A few of the older Bescot and Saltley men called them 350s though, in a similar way to calling their 47s 'four and a halfs'. Railway tribalism is still alive and well in the West Mids!

 

Dave F - very much looking forward to seeing your WR Hydraulic photos when you get round to them...

[DaveF]

Back to Yorkshire today for a visit to the Grassington branch in the last years of steam.  I've always thought this branch would make a nice model, there was at least one article with track plans in (if my memory is still working) Model Railway News in the 60s.

 

If you wanted to run passenger trains you'd have to set the layout pre 22nd September 1930 which is when the last passenger train ran, though there were excursions from time to time in later years.

 

I seem to remember that the locos at the time of the photos came from Carnforth as part of a quite complicated diagram.

 

 

 

Rylstone BR Class 4 75015 up goods April 66 J482

 

 

Rylstone BR Class 4 75021 up goods July 67 J953

 

 

Grassington wagons in yard Aug 65 J288

 

 

Grassington Class 4 75039 Aug 65 J290

 

 

Grassington BR Class 4 75021 July 67 J941a

 

 

David

[60091]

Always enjoy a trip down memory lane with your photos. Especially liked the Trans Pennine Units. Wish I had a £ for every mile I've covered in them!... Hull, Doncaster, Sheffield, Manchester. Sadly as they were just boring DMUs I only took 1 photo in 4 years. Looking at them now, I think they've got real style. At the time we couldn't wait to get rid of them as they were being replaced by the 31/4s.

IIRC the (Class 123?) end with 2 side windows had a half driving cab?? During one journey I remember quickly nipping into the cab with a friend and taking pictures of each other pretending to drive...

Edited August 9, 2014 by 60091

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Such excellent photo's of the Grassington branch. I especially like the portrait shot of 75039 at Grassington, August, 1965. Also some great examples of weathering to be seen in todays photo's as well. Please keep the photo's coming.

 

For 60091, you are right, the 123's had a half cab owing to the presence of the connecting gangway. It gave them quite a distinctive front end in addition to the 124's 'curved' cab end design.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[great central]

08417 - the resident shunter at RVEL (ex-RTC) Derby is still referred to as a "Jocko" by those of an age that weren't around in the days of steam locos.

 

Cheers,

Mick

 

The one 'over the road' at Etches Park is still referred to as the 'Jocko' and the train crew depot (modern sectional building) is '4 shed'  

[DaveF]

This afternoon's preserved railway visit is to the Kent and East Sussex in the late 1970s, with a mix of weather.  At this time a lot of the locos and stock were in their own K&ESR livery.

 

I always enjoyed going there, despite the Dartford Tunnel from Essex in those days - it could be a real bottleneck.  In my first few visits it was not unusual to stall part the way up Tenterden Bank and have to try again!

 

I think the "dead" GWR railcar being loco hauled was probably a "one off".

 

I wonder where we will end up this evening?

 

Tenterden RSH 26 leaving Sept 78 C4145

 

 

Tenterden Bank ex NSB 19 27th Dec 76 C3160

 

 

Tenterden Bank RSH 26 and Terrier 10 Sutton towards Rolvenden 26th Dec 79 C4918

 

 

Rolvenden ex Ford Motor Co BTH Bo-Bo diesel 16 15th May 76 C2720

 

 

Rolvenden ex NSB 2-6-0 19 hauling broken down GWR railcar 20 15th May 76 C2727

 

 

Wittersham Road Terrier 10 Sutton running round Sept 78 C4140

 

Edited to add an important missing word

David

Edited August 10, 2014 by DaveF

[New Haven Neil]

Interesting - which 'Ugly' saddletank is that in C4145 I wonder?  I wasn't aware they had had one there, if it's old S&L 62, my mate used to own it!  I must ask him tomorrow - he's my boss now!

[DaveF]

This evening we are on a trip to Heaton Depot, just north of Newcastle.  I took these photos (and a lot of others which will appear in due course) on a pre-arranged visit as part of a small group on 20th January 1990.

 

 

 

Heaton Depot 142519 under repair 20th Jan 90 C13916

 

 

Heaton Depot 143321 & 43104 20th Jan 90 C13917

 

 

Heaton Depot 142316 with new wheels 20th Jan 90 C13923

 

 

Heaton Depot Class 105 E51489 withdrawn 20th Jan 90 C13933

 

 

Heaton Depot 37071 engineers grey down pw train 20th Jan 90 C13945

 

 

David

 

 

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Good photo's today. First the Kent and East Sussex line, and then Heaton Depot. What a great photo' of the remarkable ex Ford Motor Co. BTH Bo-Bo Diesel loco - it would make a very interesting model. Then in photo' C13916, at Heaton Depot, 20th January,  1990, is 142519, which has above the cab windows the description 'Pacer', which I'm not sure if all the units were so treated in this way. Fascinating. Please keep the photo's coming.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.