Fat Controller Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I've had a look at my black and white photo of the same loco and train, the cabside is much too dirty to read the number. I don't think the numbers on the smokebox door are the loco number. It would have been interesting to know which loco it was. David I wonder if it could be the reporting number of the train? The wagons seem to be loaded with rock salt, probably from Over and Wharton, near Winsford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photo's of the WCML. In the last one, the unit, on closer examination, has one Rolls Royce engine per car - thats despite the DMCL not having a crest - and since it has the standard size indicators, that makes it a class 112 unit. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Something looks 'odd' about that Craven's DMU in J626, but I can't think what Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 Something looks 'odd' about that Craven's DMU in J626, but I can't think what It's possibly the equipment on the underframe being a 112 that are quite rarely photographed the two single engines look a bit odd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 The cravens unit in J626 is one of the Rolls Royce engined mechanical transmission 112's not a 105. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 As I said earlier it is class 112. They were not often photographed, and it is greta that Dave's Dad managed to take that photo' of the unit. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) Hi Dave Its another numbering conundrum!!! That Brush type 4 in J608 has fixed 3 part radiator grilles, looks like a Stones boiler and seems to be VB only - as built D1819 was serck rad grilles and dual brakes, no boiler D1619 as built fits the above profile and was a WCML loco April 66- Feb 67 - what do you think? Phil Edited February 8, 2017 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 8, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 Hi Dave Its another numbering conundrum!!! That Brush type 4 in J608 has fixed 3 part radiator grilles, looks like a Stones boiler and seems to be VB only - as built D1819 was serck rad grilles and dual brakes, no boiler D1619 as built fits the above profile and was a WCML loco April 66- Feb 67 - what doyou think? Phil Phil, I think you are probably right. I can't quite read the number on the scan, it was not clear on the slide either, Dad could easily have written down one digit incorrectly, I have done often enough. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2017 Cheers Dave I suspect that is something we all did - Abbotswood itself was a difficult location to spot at when things hammered past at 70 mph! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2017 Class 302 emus today so we are back on the LT&SR. Fenchurch St Class 302 to Shoeburyness Mar 75 C1951 Barking Class 302 302306 Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness Oct 77 C3619 Laindon Class 302 Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness July 77 C3368 Laindon Class 302 302300 Fenchurch St to Shoeburyness Aug 77 C3540 Leigh on Sea Class 308 with coach from Class 302 at front set No 315 Shoeburyness to Fenchurch St 4th May 80 C5047 David 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thanks again David These days there are a few trains that come off the LTS to Liverpool Street,back then was it isolated from the rest of the network I the way of no passenger services to other lines served by other trains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Hi, Dave. Another great set of photo's of the L.T.& S.R. In the first photo at Fenchurch Street station, it is fascinating to read the board about 'punctual departures'. I wonder if it was that which led to the present day practice of closing and locking train doors thirty seconds before departure? With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Thanks again David These days there are a few trains that come off the LTS to Liverpool Street,back then was it isolated from the rest of the network I the way of no passenger services to other lines served by other trains? I think a few Sunday morning trains may have started/finished at Liverpool Street. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Nice to see the old Fenchurch Street again, flooded in light, instead of the oppressive low roofs of today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hi, Dave. Another great set of photo's of the L.T.& S.R. In the first photo at Fenchurch Street station, it is fascinating to read the board about 'punctual departures'. I wonder if it was that which led to the present day practice of closing and locking train doors thirty seconds before departure? With warmest regards, Rob. The same sign also could be found on the barriers at Kings Cross when I was there in the early 80's. They did cause a few altercations between the barrier staff and passengers, but trains did tend to get away on time, especially on the suburban side. I think a few Sunday morning trains may have started/finished at Liverpool Street. David I remember being at Liverpool Street on early Sunday mornings and hearing announcements for trains to LT&S destinations. I don't know what time in the day it continued until, but it was certainly a way of saving money as you could maintain a service to Shoeburyness/Southend Vic, without having to open signal boxes on the Fenchurch Street section of the line. The Sunday service in and out of Liverpool Street being such that you could run such a service, something that would not be possible during the week. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2017 I suspect that there was also a desire to keep drivers with the route availibility in case of major problems at Fenchurch Street. Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2017 1960s in the East Midlands for today, almost all in Nottinghamshire - Pye Bridge is just about on the Nottinghamshire/Derbyshire border. Misterton is on the GN and GE joint line between Doncaster and Gainsborough. Misterton Class 40 up freight Sept 62 J023 Newstead Fairburn 2-6-4T 42089 Mansfield to Nottingham Oct 64 J177 Newstead Fairburn 2-6-4T 42290 Nottingham to Mansfield Oct 64 J178 Plumtree A3 4472 Special Ipswich to Chesterfield Sept 68 J1460 Plumtre is between Nottingham and Melton Mowbray on the Midland Railway line. Pye Bridge view north 21st Aug 76 C2993 David 42 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2017 You've done it yet again! Thanks for the pictures and memories awakened. I remember spotting at Newstead. You could see the midland, GN and GC lines at once. The first two pictures are notable for the amount of telephone wires and poles. Newstead colliery and the spoil heaps are prominent. When I returned to living in the midlands after a "temporary" 40 year absence I kept wondering what was missing at first and, of course, it was the many pitheads and spoil heaps in that area. Not pleasant to look at in those days but a major source of employment that shaped the area and the people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hi, Dave. Superb photos from the East Midlands. The first three are so evocative of a railway which has now changed out of all recognition. Steam engines hauling Stanier corridor carriages on class B trains seem such a distant memory now along with 40's on traditional freight trains. I think all of that is one reason why we make models of railways so that we can relive those long ago times. The last photo shows how parched the grass had become by August of 1976. But by the end of September there was just too much rain, a total change! Please keep these very valuable photos coming. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2017 I'd lke to try and upload myself into Dave's collection and live in those times! I say to my Mrs when we are watching 60s or 70s films if I run hard enough and go head first through the TV screen will I be back to those times? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Nice contrast in the different shades of "bauxite" on those cattle wagons in the 4E31. I'd lke to try and upload myself into Dave's collection and live in those times! But would you be happy wearing sparkly tank tops and flared high waisters and living in a house with brown & orange flowery wallpaper? P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2017 But would you be happy wearing sparkly tank tops and flared high waisters and living in a house with brown & orange flowery wallpaper? P I wear stuff like that now ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Is the pic of Flying Scotsman really 1968? I thought that line closed in 1966. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I wear stuff like that now ;-) You must have strong ankles to have been wearing platforms all those years. Ah! Norfolk. That might explain it. With apologies to Dave for the wander. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2017 The type 4 in J023 is a wee bit unusual, livery wise. Yellow warning panel but no OLE flashes. Most locos had the OLE flashes before the yella was added to the front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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