Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Derby and Borrowash photo’s. As stated, the CCT in the first photo’ makes a fine sight. And in the last photo’ at Borrowash, the class 104 DMU maybe has a broken ventilator in the TCL near to the toilet compartment. It’s that little bit of white that can just be seen, where it may have been broken.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[uax6]

And the Post Office moggie!

 

Funny you mention that, it was the first thing that caught my eye. The second being that it has twin fog lights fitted, which was very unusual, as the GPO specified that one only could be fitted for rural rounds... And another way you can tell that that van is used on a rural round is that the numberplate is mounted on the grill above the bumper, not below it. That reminds me that I must move the numberplate on my engineers van to that position!

 

Andy G

[35A]

Thanks for this.

 

I don't think they are the 1st and 4th Aug 83 as I had already taken 45 railway photos in August before I took the one of 20163 and I visited at last 6 other locations, each of which would usually have been a different day, after 20163 and before I took the of 20177.

 

So the actual dates are a bit of a mystery.

 

David

 

For completeness, I've checked the September archive and neither loco appeared during that month, on the few days at the end of the season that the trains ran, so I then went back to July - just on the off-chance that both 20 163 and 20 177 had worked on a common day and in case there might have been a dating issue. However, 20 177 only worked on a couple of days at the beginning of July and then not again that month.

 

20 163, however, was very active, from Sunday 24th July to the end of the month. On 24th it worked 1E28/1M83 Derby - Skegness and return, with 20 172 (the same loco that it was paired with into August);  on the 25th they worked 1E86/1M22 Leicester - Skegness and return;  on 26th they were back on 1E85/1M47, the weekday Derby trains;  on 27th they worked 1E04/1M07, which were unadvertised reliefs from/to Derby;  on 28th & 30th they were on the Leicester trains again;  finally, on 31st, they were on 1E26/1M88, the Sunday Leicester trains.

 

All of which is very informative but doesn't really get us anywhere! My only other suggestion is that perhaps you were out on Saturday 20th August - the only day later in the month that there are no records for - and that they happened to be used on that day alone.

[Enterprisingwestern]

C577.

1M15 was the 0855 Leeds - St Pancras.

Rostered for a peak, but quite regularly had a foreign Brush 4 on it, Holbeck utilising it's motive power to best effect!

 

Mike.

[DaveF]

For completeness, I've checked the September archive and neither loco appeared during that month, on the few days at the end of the season that the trains ran, so I then went back to July - just on the off-chance that both 20 163 and 20 177 had worked on a common day and in case there might have been a dating issue. However, 20 177 only worked on a couple of days at the beginning of July and then not again that month.

 

20 163, however, was very active, from Sunday 24th July to the end of the month. On 24th it worked 1E28/1M83 Derby - Skegness and return, with 20 172 (the same loco that it was paired with into August);  on the 25th they worked 1E86/1M22 Leicester - Skegness and return;  on 26th they were back on 1E85/1M47, the weekday Derby trains;  on 27th they worked 1E04/1M07, which were unadvertised reliefs from/to Derby;  on 28th & 30th they were on the Leicester trains again;  finally, on 31st, they were on 1E26/1M88, the Sunday Leicester trains.

 

All of which is very informative but doesn't really get us anywhere! My only other suggestion is that perhaps you were out on Saturday 20th August - the only day later in the month that there are no records for - and that they happened to be used on that day alone.

 

 

Thanks for researching this.

 

20177 could well have been seen on the 20th, as it was taken shortly before I left Mum and Dad's to return to Northumberland.

 

Every time I caption the early 80s photos I wished 'd noted the date as well as the month, which I usually did in later years.

 

David

Edited March 6, 2018 by DaveF

[DaveF]

I thought that today we'd have a look at the Tyne and Wear Metro as it was in the first half of the1980s.  At this rime the trains were still in their original livery.

 

 

Monkseaton Metro 4015 Tynemouth to Heworth April 82 C5655

 

 

Palmersville Tyne and Wear Metro to coast 25th June 84 C6547

 

 

Tynemouth 26th Oct 84 C6643

 

 

Pelaw Junction T&W Metro to Bankfoot going away 1st Aug 85 C7026

 

 

Shiremoor T&W Metro 4086 to St James 5th Aug 85 C7045

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Tyne and Wear Metro photos. The units were always at their best in that original livery, looking solid and purposeful. I see in the first photo' that bullhead rail was still in use. I believe that the existing track was used instead of relaying the system with new track.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Mark Saunders]

Hi, Dave. I like the Tyne and Wear Metro photos. The units were always at their best in that original livery, looking solid and purposeful. I see in the first photo' that bullhead rail was still in use. I believe that the existing track was used instead of relaying the system with new track.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

The track in Shiremoor station was only replaced about three years ago from the original that was inherited from BR in 1977!

 

Mark Saunders

[DaveF]

A mix of photos today, some are WCML electrics.

 

One is at the motor show at the NEC, I didn't know Toyota built railway engines!.  I think that year I travelled by train from Laindon, on the LT&SR. 

 

On the way back the guard was checking tickets, retaining all the ones for London - I had some difficulty getting mine made out to Laindon back from him.

 

 

Albrighton Class 101 Shrewsbury to Wolverhampton April 71 C564

 

 

Brinklow Class 86 Glasgow to Euston Jan 71 J2498

 

 

Brinklow 87018 down ex pass March 76 J5090

 

 

Birmingham International 310070 down football special Oct 78 C4167

 

 

Birmingham Motor Show Toyota Stand Oct 78 C4165

 

 

David

[The Johnster]

Hope Toyota pay more attention to brakes in their cars...

[BoD]

Re C7026: Pelaw Junction and the Leamside Line.

 

Who needs transition curves?

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like today's photo's. I hope the football supporters were well behaved on that class 310 EMU, 310070 in C4167. Back in the '70's there was such trouble with football supporters, but they are not quite so bad these days. I like the ''special engine'' in the last photo'. I hope we might see a model of it one day

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

ECML again today with a selection of locations and dates.

 

All the photos were taken between Peterborough and Grantham.

 

 

Lolham Class 47 up Feb 74 C1480

 

 

Swayfield Class 47 up 08.50 Bradford to Kings X Nov 72 C1167

 

 

Corby Glen Class 33 up l e April 63 J031

 

 

High Dyke Class 47 1581 07.05 Darlington to Kings X Class 31 behind May 73 C1262

 

 

Grantham Class 55 up 14.10 Newcastle to Kings X Oct 73 C1422

 

 

David

[iands]

ECML again today with a selection of locations and dates.

 

All the photos were taken between Peterborough and Grantham.

 

 

Lolham Class 47 up Feb 74 C1480.jpg

Lolham Class 47 up Feb 74 C1480

 

 

Swayfield Class 47 up 08.50 Bradford to Kings X Nov 72 C1167.jpg

Swayfield Class 47 up 08.50 Bradford to Kings X Nov 72 C1167

 

 

Corby Glen Class 33 up l e April 63 J031.jpg

Corby Glen Class 33 up l e April 63 J031

 

 

High Dyke Class 47 1581 07.05 Darlington to Kings X Class 31 behind May 73 C1262.jpg

High Dyke Class 47 1581 07.05 Darlington to Kings X Class 31 behind May 73 C1262

 

 

Grantham Class 55 up 14.10 Newcastle to Kings X Oct 73 C1422.jpg

Grantham Class 55 up 14.10 Newcastle to Kings X Oct 73 C1422

 

 

David

Hi Dave,

 

J031 is an excellent photo in so many ways; the location, the loco, the trainspotters, the infrastructure, the atmosphere - a real gem!

 

Regards, Ian.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the ECML photos, which are a great selection that show the line from times which are now long gone. In C1262, at High Dyke, with Class 47 1581, on the 07.05 Darlington to Kings Cross, I see behind the MK1 restaurant cars is what looks like an early MK2 TSO. I wonder if it was replacing a Mk2d car?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[The Johnster]

Hi, Dave. I like today's photo's. I hope the football supporters were well behaved on that class 310 EMU, 310070 in C4167. Back in the '70's there was such trouble with football supporters, but they are not quite so bad these days. I like the ''special engine'' in the last photo'. I hope we might see a model of it one day

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

As a guard at Canton in those days, and on one occasion had the unenviable task of working a 'footex' bringing Cardiff City's famously well behaved (no, hang on a minute, they weren't, were they?) back from a local derby with Newport County, whose fans ours have traditionally got on with like a house on fire (screaming, windows breaking, emergency services in attendance).  The job was to pick up a 3 car class 116 set from the carriage sidings, call at Cardiff Central to pick up Transport Police, run ecs to Newport to pick up the fans, and work back to Cardiff. 

 

I will admit to being a bit apprehensive, by which I mean bricking it.  We pulled up on Platform 4 at Cardiff Central to pick up my escort, a reassuringly burly sergeant and a constable with an impressive Alsatian dog straining at the leash and looking like he hadn't had his breakfast.  'Done one of these before' asks the sergeant, and when I told him I hadn't, came out with 'nothing to worry about, mate.  Go through the train, make sure all the windows are shut, and the heating up full'.  Not at all sure of what effect this would have on already hot tempered City fans, I did as he asked.  We rolled into the down loop platform at Newport to see it packed with likely specimens, chanting, shouting, and generally behaving like overexcited chimps; I did not like the look of this one bit.  'Stay in the van', says the sergeant, as if I wasn't going to lock myself in there anyway and hope the doors held!  

 

He was a man of great experience and wisdom; within about 30 seconds of boarding the excess heat had combined with their drunken state to put the lot of them to sleep in heaps on the seats and the floor.  They all slept like babies until we arrived at Cardiff, when the doors were opened and cold air let in on a bunch of very confused, bleary, and sorry specimens who were in no condition to cause any problems to anyone.  I was in awe of this sergeant's understanding of the human condition...

[corneliuslundie]

I don't know about fans on the way home from matches, but a couple of times between Birmingham and Derby on a Saturday morning i have had the company of large numbers of fans, already well past the limit for driving and still opening cans, but on the whole though they have been noisy there has been no trouble. I also travelled from Port Talbot to Cardiff on the day of the Spain/Italy match last year. The train was fortunately only patronised by one nation and they were better behaved than the locals. And when we left Cardiff for home the match had yet to start so all was quiet, though they terminated the train we intended to catch short to send it back to Cardiff to form an extra, so we were an hour late home.

Back to Dave's photos, is that a CWR expansion joint in C1167?

And isn't the class 33 rather a long way from home?

Jonathan

[35A]

 

And isn't the class 33 rather a long way from home?

 

 

The class 33s (as they later became known) or B.R.C.&W. Co. Type 3s (if you prefer) were introduced onto the ECML during the 1960s to work the Cliffe to York leg of the Cliffe - Uddingston cement train. Strangely enough, a friend only sent me (last week) a picture of one stabled on New England, from 1963, which (I think) might have been a crew trainer for that diagram. Use of 33s on the train had been discontinued by 1969, when the ubiquitous 47s took over.

 

I don't recall ever seeing a 33 on that train, post early 1970, which ran as 6S45 northbound. I'm not sure what time the southbound train ran but I never saw it! I do remember, however, coming out of King's Cross one night in 1972, in the mid-evening twilight, and passing D6591 at Harringay, at the head of a car train. Later in the 1970s the Spalding flower parade traffic also used a 33 and stock, having previously been a pair of 6-car Hastings line DEMUs every year. On one occasion the stock was worked ECS to Nene Sidings and the 33 sat on Peterborough stabling point all afternoon.

[iands]

 

Back to Dave's photos, is that a CWR expansion joint in C1167?

 

No, it's a set of catch points.

 

Regards, Ian.

[DaveF]

The Blyth and Tyne at Cambois for today.

 

 

Cambois Blyth West staithes from road by ash dock July 80 C5112

 

 

Cambois brake vans July 80 C5115

 

 

Cambois Class 37 and Class 56 at power station Nov 83 C6323

 

 

Cambois 56135 26th April 86 C7500

 

 

Cambois Class 101 The Lynemouth Link Alcan open day 21st Sept 86 C8138   It was running between the Alcan smelter at Lynemouth and the alumina terminal at North Blyth.

 

 

Cambois A4 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley 10th April 95 C20031

 

 

David

[The Pilotman]

C7500 is interesting; I’ve never seen a picture of a Railfreight grey 56 with the BR logo in the middle and an offset nameplate. It was normally the other way around. A one-off perhaps?

[HillsideDepot]

C7500 is interesting; I’ve never seen a picture of a Railfreight grey 56 with the BR logo in the middle and an offset nameplate. It was normally the other way around. A one-off perhaps?

Yes, it was a one off - last built 56135. Presumably it was following the lead of the class 58s with their central arrows, before someone decided that the livery should follow the layout of the established "large logo" scheme.

When it was named 'Port of Tyne Authority' Gateshead depot staff thought it ought to be spruced up a bit, but they had no grey paint in stock. Several local car paint suppliers were visited and the results mixed together until a colour approximating that already on the loco was achieved!

[brushman47544]

Yes, it was a one off - last built 56135. Presumably it was following the lead of the class 58s with their central arrows, before someone decided that the livery should follow the layout of the established "large logo" scheme.

When it was named 'Port of Tyne Authority' Gateshead depot staff thought it ought to be spruced up a bit, but they had no grey paint in stock. Several local car paint suppliers were visited and the results mixed together until a colour approximating that already on the loco was achieved!

I thought 56135 was released from Crewe Works new in railfreight grey, not a depot repaint. Class 58s were already being released by Doncaster Works (in railfreight grey) by then.

[HillsideDepot]

I thought 56135 was released from Crewe Works new in railfreight grey, not a depot repaint. Class 58s were already being released by Doncaster Works (in railfreight grey) by then.

Yes, it entered service in Railfreight grey, but had become a bit work-stained by the time of its naming, so a depot level freshen up was thought appropriate.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the Cambois photo's, and I can't help but notice all those brake vans in C5115, in July, 1980. I wonder if they were all to be scrapped?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.